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The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

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Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#41

It's good for people to be aware of this but there's so much either ignored or misrepresented as to make this almost harmful. Fake olive oil peddlers aren't hurting themselves by peddling fake oil as the scam is as old as the olive oil industry itself. It's likely never going to go away and has been a mainstay of various criminal organizations (Sicilian mafia, etc) for longer than pretty much all of us have been aliv…

California Olive Ranch makes good stuff that is highly price competitive with the imported Italian stuff which is always more questionable anyway.

Great comment. I've been buying California Olive Ranch oil since I first read about olive oil adulteration a couple years ago.

This review: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/dining/californias-olive-o... is very helpful.

Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#42
post #30

Unlike many counterfeit things... as far as I can tell, this really doesn't make any difference in the end, because olive oil is all about flavor, not labels. Good olive oil can taste hundreds of ways, just like wine -- there are even olive oil tastings. The flavor can't be counterfeited at all, so it doesn't really matter what's on the label, what country it comes from, etc. -- olive oil is all so different, it can…

as far as I can tell, this really doesn't make any difference in the end Unfortunately, that's not the case. When olive oil is adulterated with oils that have lower smoke points, and that adulterated oil is then used under heat, for cooking, the adulterant oils can break down and yield toxic compounds (e.g., aldehydes and hydroperoxids). [1] EDIT: Also, as noted by a sibling comment, the Ω3:Ω6 ratios for some of the…

To quote an excerpt from that link:

" Virgin olive oil was, amongst all the oils studied, that which took longer to produce this type of compounds and produced a lower concentration of them."

I am going to assume (and hope) that that was an off-the-shelf sample, which includes the adulteration you are talking about. Unfortunately, there no further information available.

Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#43
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

" The flavor can't be counterfeited at all, so it doesn't really matter what's on the label . . . . You might have 5 different olive oils in your cupboard depending on what you're using them for, but you didn't buy any of them based on their label!" Huh? What world are you living in? I mean, maybe you have five different olive oils in your cupboard and maybe their labels had nothing to do with the ones you chose. But…

I don't think you get it -- that's my point. If your "average purchaser in the US" can't tell the difference, then it won't matter to them anyways, right? And if they can tell the difference, then they're already buying by flavor. EVOO isn't Coca-Cola. There's no standard flavor. It's the same as complaining about counterfeit wine -- if it tastes good for the price, does it ultimately matter if it's "counterfeit" or…

If your "average purchaser in the US" can't tell the difference, then it won't matter to them anyways, right?

So, "Fuck 'em if they don't know enough to know they're getting cheated?" Nice.

Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#44
post #35

Because of this stuff, I only buy my oil at this point from makers who I personally have a connection with, and I know are selling 100% legitimate stuff (a good friend's family has an organic olive grove and press in Sicily, so I buy from that mostly now). I'm constantly saddened by the fact that more countries don't enforce food labeling regulation, either internally or for import. The US alone could probably fix th…

We've always had problems with labeling on food products where demand is vastly ahead of supply. The olive oil situation isn't nearly as bad as the honey situation.

Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#47
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as far as I can tell, this really doesn't make any difference in the end Unfortunately, that's not the case. When olive oil is adulterated with oils that have lower smoke points, and that adulterated oil is then used under heat, for cooking, the adulterant oils can break down and yield toxic compounds (e.g., aldehydes and hydroperoxids). [1] EDIT: Also, as noted by a sibling comment, the Ω3:Ω6 ratios for some of the…

To quote an excerpt from that link: " Virgin olive oil was, amongst all the oils studied, that which took longer to produce this type of compounds and produced a lower concentration of them." I am going to assume (and hope) that that was an off-the-shelf sample, which includes the adulteration you are talking about. Unfortunately, there no further information available.

I think that means the opposite of what you think it means. That it takes virgin olive oils longer to produce fewer toxic compounds is a good thing.

Re: The Adulteration of Italian Olive Oil

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVOO already has a low smoke point as far as oils are concerned, processed soy/canola/corn/etc. oil all have significantly higher smoke points. I can't imagine a scenario where a manufacturer would be adulterating EVOO with another oil that has a lower smoke point -- there just aren't any that would be make economic sense, as far as I know.

sunflower and safflower oils, the two most commonly substituted oils for olive oil (as far as counterfeiting goes), have a similar or _much lower_ smoke point than olive oil in an unrefined state. 225F, in fact. That's almost 100 degrees lower than olive oil.

If they used unrefined sunflower or safflower oil, then your olive oil would wind up with a lot of flavor of those oils, since unrefined oil is very flavorful. They would seem like horrible choices for adulteration, since it would be so obvious. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but do you have a source on that? I'm genuinely curious.

On the other hand, refined sunflower and safflower oil have higher smoke points than EVOO, and the flavor loss due to refining would let them blend in.

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What do I see when I get to this page? An olive skull and crossbones with EXTRA VIRGIN SUICIDE. Let me scroll down so I can see more! I hit the down arrow. Nothing happens. I try the Page Down key. Nothing happens. Ah, yes, I know, the keyboard doesn't always work on every website. I'll just use the scroll bar! Hmm... No scroll bar. Wait! Over on the right, there's a box with a triangle in it, pointing up. It almost…

Horrible for accessibility sake. Which is important to people who have all kinds of issues with non standard methods of navigation.
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