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Just to make the call to action a little more direct, the donation link is here: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html
For example [1], [2]
I encourage all to donate to our BSD friends. We all benefit from their work.
[1] https://www.freebsdfoundation.org [2] http://www.netbsd.org/donations/
As a long time FreeBSD user I wish the BSDs would find a way to "unite" in a way, try to put redundant infrastructures in common. Right now I feel like linux is slowly eating all the market share, if it continues that way the BSDs will regress back to the lines of Hurd and Plan9. Competition is always a good thing, even in the OSS world.
The thing is they had their schisms for a reason, and inability to work together is kind of baked in, even if much of the code does in practice cross pollinate further downstream.
The other question is if it's possible to get the benefits of the strange old hardware support without the old school power consumption. I think many relative youngsters would be surprised by how thirsty some of those classic UNIX boxes were, and the hardware must be close to dead now. At some point the only remaining working SPARCstation will be used to build OpenBSD.
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Theo says it's because if they drop $platform, they'll lose the devs that like working on $platform who quite possibly work on @other_platforms as well.
So Theo would rather shutdown instead? Change is hard, but I think it's worth a shot. And you never know maybe spending more time focused on real needs will create a better product from all the extra attention given to things that are work worthy.
And, the OpenBSD development team has contributed a lot to the software community, so it's extra frustrating not to get enough support back.
I'd expect that at some point it just stops being a fight you want to keep fighting.
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This. Don't be a dick to people giving you money - customers or donors. If you can't turn it off, don't be donor facing.
Sure, they should totally just get their PR person on it. Oh look, now they're asking for $40,000
"oh Look here's a poor idiot in the Mailing list that didn't become a UNIX expert before asking a question, let's flame the shit out of him."
Alright Let's collect some money. Wanna know why? fuck you it! It just needs to be this way. Wanna help or suggest a solution? fuck you unless it's a check.
How is this system not working?
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You have it wrong; > Competition is a good thing, so we should unite bit-parts that are in danger of being stomped out to ensure the dominant player still has competition in the future.
"Unite bit-parts" is stomping them out, that's the point. Even if you just magically convinced all the openbsd developers to stop developing openbsd and go start working on an OS they don't like instead, that would just be getting rid of openbsd to try to prevent losing openbsd. That makes absolutely no sense.
No, it would be getting rid of openbsd to try to prevent losing bsd.
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> why is moving an unacceptable answer It seems likely that they don't trust anyone else to have physical access to the machines for security reasons. Their threat model probably includes national governments.
A somewhat related note about branding. My first "real" job was in the mid-90's; I was the first technical hire at a small Chicago ISP (EnterAct) that grew into a relatively large ISP (when I left, we were default-free peered to several tier-1 providers and had more POPs than I can name). It was great, and the team that started it --- two Big-5 accounting firm programmers --- was inspiring, particularly when it came…
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> 20 thousand dollars in electrical expenses [annually?]
> A number of logistical reasons prevents us from moving the machines to another location which might offer space/power for free, so let's not allow the conversation to go that way. and there's no way that overcoming those logistical reasons would be cheaper than $20,000? at all? okay, well then, I guess that limits your options doesn't it.
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Why not move the machines, and if the Amiga breaks down and they can't find a replacement, end Amiga support? I mean, that's not a wonderful outcome, but what would you prefer to see given the following options? a) Shut down OpenBSD b) Shut down Amiga support in OpenBSD I mean, is it even a hard choice? Besides, if there are many developers who like developing for Amiga, surely they would be able to find a replacemen…
The Amiga port isn't live. It hasn't been maintained for a while IIRC. There are two important points that shouldn't be forgotten about aggressively pushing cross-platform: it retains developers and exposes bugs. There's a great deal of usefulness behind it, beyond simply making it obvious that the workstations we get today are shit.
I am not suggesting all legacy platforms need to be cut. I'm suggesting that it's possibly an acceptable risk, and also if a replacement UltraSPARC simply cannot be sourced, there can't be that many developers working on UltraSPARC anyway. (Just as an example)
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Sure, they should totally just get their PR person on it. Oh look, now they're asking for $40,000
From what I can tell the current mentality is: We don't need to accept feature requests or patches to get donors, we could just get more users and sell CDs "oh Look here's a poor idiot in the Mailing list that didn't become a UNIX expert before asking a question, let's flame the shit out of him." Alright Let's collect some money. Wanna know why? fuck you it! It just needs to be this way. Wanna help or suggest a solut…