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It's kind of off-putting, to be honest. This quintessential open-source abrasiveness is fine and dandy until you start asking for cold hard cash.
This. Don't be a dick to people giving you money - customers or donors. If you can't turn it off, don't be donor facing.
Oh look, now they're asking for $40,000
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If you're asking for help and you have constraints, you better qualify those constraints in a way that builds confidence. The more transparency you have in your discussion, the more supportive people will be.
> The more transparency you have in your discussion, the more supportive people will be. I think that's total, obvious nonsense and if you need to be convinced, here's an exercise: consider how much money the average nonprofit would raise if people knew where all that money went.
Because every US nonprofit is required by law to do that. You can browse it all on line: http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/
What I don't get is where people - presumably people involved in information technology - conclude that $20k/year is a lot of money to spend on electricity. What utopia of free electricity for all are these people living in? Can I host a few servers there?
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Who still uses an 88K machine? I have the CPU board from a DG/UX machine, but the latest chips are from 93/94.
The developers who volunteer their time to work on it: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/arch/m88k/incl... Keep in mind that OpenBSD is by the developers for the developers. That it's also useful for a lot of users is just a nice side effect, helpful for testing and funding.
If OpenBSD isn't exaggerating about shutting down the project, then it seems reasonable to review their policy regarding old platforms and focus on what gives the most return.
So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks. Not just Theo, but he has set the bar quite low when it comes to friendliness and tolerance of questions from younger/less experienced contributors. Linus' rants on the Linux kernel lists are almost cookie cutter copies of Theo's. There is "opinionated software" and then there is Theo being an intolerable, obnoxious,…
I only ever had a few email exchanges with Theo. One was a bug report and the other was a few questions for a project I did while studying, but he was friendly and helpful. Even if Theo had been a jerk, that doesn't change the fact that I've gotten a lot of value from OpenBSD in the past, without being asked for anything back, until now.
The closed books doesn't really bother me, I doubt that Theo or someone at the OpenBSD Foundation is going to run of to Cuba with the money. Maybe we should just accept that the people that they are asking for help are people like me who see a value proposition in: I give them €20 a month and OpenBSD doesn't go away. Only takes 1000 people like me to solve this and surely there has to be 1000 people in the world for who this is a great deal.
Just to make the call to action a little more direct, the donation link is here: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html
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> why is moving an unacceptable answer It seems likely that they don't trust anyone else to have physical access to the machines for security reasons. Their threat model probably includes national governments.
A somewhat related note about branding. My first "real" job was in the mid-90's; I was the first technical hire at a small Chicago ISP (EnterAct) that grew into a relatively large ISP (when I left, we were default-free peered to several tier-1 providers and had more POPs than I can name). It was great, and the team that started it --- two Big-5 accounting firm programmers --- was inspiring, particularly when it came…
Pretty sure that was a solaris box.
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OpenBSD's main value is high security standards. - Is there a significant amount of people with high security standards and an interest in SGI workstation hardware? - What about people who have high security standards and Sharp Zaurus hardware? If these groups aren't as important, as say, ARM and x86 users, perhaps it could be worth dropping some of these platforms?
You appear not to realise that SGI hardware contains MIPS CPUs. A large amount of code is shared between these platforms: http://www.openbsd.org/sgi.html http://www.openbsd.org/octeon.html http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html A mips32 port would also be very desirable for all those shitty little routers with their ancient Linux kernel, but sadly nobody is working on that at the moment. So, should the network and fire…
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OpenBSD's main value is high security standards. - Is there a significant amount of people with high security standards and an interest in SGI workstation hardware? - What about people who have high security standards and Sharp Zaurus hardware? If these groups aren't as important, as say, ARM and x86 users, perhaps it could be worth dropping some of these platforms?
Read further into the thread -- specifically the messages from asshat Theo. He is absolutely opposed to anything like that.