You may not be using OpenBSD, but the same organization is behind OpenSSH. Imagine being without ssh, then go donate. :)
It'd be nice if a company, or companies that use SSH in their products would pool together 20k a year to pay for this.
OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
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Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or hidden option c): ask people to donate money.
Well, yes, clearly. But it's been a month since the initial ask, and this sort of "threat": the fact is right now, OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on. suggests the necessary $20k (cash) has not been forthcoming. P.S. I understand it's not a threat in the sense of ransom etc, but the most correct word is not coming to my mind.
I completely agree with your association. In my view OpenBSD is very plainly holding itself hostage for $20,000 cash and expecting everyone to accomodate them.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#153So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks. Not just Theo, but he has set the bar quite low when it comes to friendliness and tolerance of questions from younger/less experienced contributors. Linus' rants on the Linux kernel lists are almost cookie cutter copies of Theo's. There is "opinionated software" and then there is Theo being an intolerable, obnoxious,…
the shortfall on the electric bill is inexplicably $20k Quick back-of-the-envelope: At $0.12/kWh, the shortfall is about 20kW of continuous power. Do they have significant HVAC requirements? I don't think I see 20kW of iron in the two racks that get pictured.
For every watt you put in, you need to cool that watt, which requires a high percentage of a second watt. Some of that equipment is almost 20 years old, maybe more. One those old machines could warm an office back in 1994.
On top of the electricity for the servers and for cooling, there is also maintenance: replacing ancient drives and other system components when they fail (which may require paying out the arse for some gear on eBay), fixing cooling equipment (ever replaced a dead AC unit in your house?), network maintenance and upgrades, internet connection, etc., etc. The list goes on and on. $20K seems reasonable to me. He's not asking for $20MM or even $200K, guys. He's not mining bitcoins. Please be reasonable.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really love how we keep getting advice. Anyone want to suggest we hold a bake sale? It's funny to hear this sort of thing from someone trying to accrue $20k in donations. Yes, many people will give bad advice. No, you don't really get to complain about it when you are asking them for large sums of money.
It's kind of off-putting, to be honest. This quintessential open-source abrasiveness is fine and dandy until you start asking for cold hard cash.
This. Don't be a dick to people giving you money - customers or donors.
If you can't turn it off, don't be donor facing.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer is in the second line of your post. We don't know the details of their situation. But somebody who does know says that there are good reasons not to move. Doesn't seem that implausible that he might be right.
I don't think any of us truly have a problem with OpenBSD being unwilling to move their machines. We have a problem with OpenBSD being unwilling to move their machines, offering practically zero explanation why , while simultaneously asking for strangely large sums of money "because they can't move their machines". If it wasn't for those three elements coming together, we wouldn't give a damn.
"Mom, I need $1000. Right now. For...reasons."
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#156So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks. Not just Theo, but he has set the bar quite low when it comes to friendliness and tolerance of questions from younger/less experienced contributors. Linus' rants on the Linux kernel lists are almost cookie cutter copies of Theo's. There is "opinionated software" and then there is Theo being an intolerable, obnoxious,…
>So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks
Really? Could you give me an example of that? Because from where I sit, as someone having been around the openbsd world for ~15 years, I don't see it. I see lots of people bitch about it, but never any examples of it actually happening. It is just something people seem to assume will be taken as gospel.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#157So let's deal with the elephant in the room: the OpenBSD project is run by complete and utter jerks. Not just Theo, but he has set the bar quite low when it comes to friendliness and tolerance of questions from younger/less experienced contributors. Linus' rants on the Linux kernel lists are almost cookie cutter copies of Theo's. There is "opinionated software" and then there is Theo being an intolerable, obnoxious,…
The code quality and the fact that maintainer is blunt about problems are not unrelated.
Neither is a project getting shut down because they can't raise money and one of their public faces being a jerk.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen a picture posted on Slashdot how they server rack looks like. There are many very old machines, I am sure that at least one reason is fear that they break during transportation. Found it: http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg
Am I the only one who want's to organize and clean up those racks? :)
The collection of stuff in between the racks is making my neck itch.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who still uses an 88K machine? I have the CPU board from a DG/UX machine, but the latest chips are from 93/94.
The developers who volunteer their time to work on it: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/arch/m88k/incl... Keep in mind that OpenBSD is by the developers for the developers. That it's also useful for a lot of users is just a nice side effect, helpful for testing and funding.
> Keep in mind that OpenBSD is by the developers for the developers.
It is until the developers can't afford to keep the lights on.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#160As a long time FreeBSD user I wish the BSDs would find a way to "unite" in a way, try to put redundant infrastructures in common. Right now I feel like linux is slowly eating all the market share, if it continues that way the BSDs will regress back to the lines of Hurd and Plan9. Competition is always a good thing, even in the OSS world.
>Competition is a good thing, so we should consolidate and have less competition That makes very little sense.
You have it wrong;
> Competition is a good thing, so we should unite bit-parts that are in danger of being stomped out to ensure the dominant player still has competition in the future.