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Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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If you want to enjoy PC gaming buy from gog.com, I think that's the only guarantee that it won't have some crap DRM. If you want to play recent titles you're out of luck...

Also Humble Bundle.

Humble ->Indie<- Bundle. There are Humble Bundles with DRM.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

#82
And people can't wait until they get OS-level DRM like in Windows 8 and Chromebooks, just to play Netflix in "HTML5", even though it plays just fine now in Silverlight, and TPM in their hardware?

I don't think they really know what they're asking for. Once the Pandora's box is open, you can't put the evil back inside. You'll regret ever wanting that "safety" or "convenience" feature, when it will make your computer a lot less safe (from the vendors themselves, government censorship, etc) and a lot less convenient (when everything you want to use has frustrating OS-level DRM enabled).

Wake up and smell the coffee. If it can be abused, it will be abused.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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Just go to GoG.com they offer refunds AND they have a wide selection of old and indie games.

GOG does have a few games with DRM even though they advertise as 100% DRM free. They have also sold games that phone home, although I don't think they have sold any that have phone home DRM. They are more reliable than anywhere else I know of, but do have some amount of false advertising.

I was answering parent's claim for refund policy. I haven't really encountered a game with DRM yet.

EDIT: Yeah, it seems some multiplayer games need serial keys to play multiplayer on their servers. You can't blame GoG for providing serial to multiplayer mode of a game. Single player should work without serial though.

The benefits it brings (no serial typing) compared with faults (overloading servers and allowing bots) and costs (huge to re-implement server from scratch), just make it virtually impossible.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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The article claims incorrectly that the game had 18 single-player missions. The FAQ linked from the article is for the game "Order of War". "Order of War: Challenge" is a completely separate, multi-player-only game that had its servers shut down and was removed from Steam. The original "Order of War" is still available ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/34600/ ). In addition, the "Challenge" add-on was given free to…

It is a non issue for Steam, as such they have no ground to remove the game from users library.

Maybe they were requested to remove it by Square Enix?

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #77

There is a broader issue here than just gaming, too. Many high-end applications now have obnoxious DRM/copy protection schemes that require varying levels of Internet connectivity to work. I have asked a reseller about how this operates if the original developer of the $X,000/seat software my business relies on goes under, and they basically laughed my question off, saying that would never happen. I have also, in an…

Apparently GabeN commented on the forum a couple of years back that they would remove the DRM if Valve goes under & that they tested the patching already. I can't seem to find a good source for that though.

They are only able to remove the DRM on their own games (which is what he was surely talking about). The article is about a game that is not made by Valve but merely distributed via Valve's distribution channel.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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Another disaster about to happen is Games for Windows Live, a online DRM scheme, used by many games, but in particular GTA IV, which doesn't have much on online features except for the DRM check. It has been announted that GFWL is going to shutdown July 1st. Many developers/publishers have indicated that they are going to remove/replace it, but Rockstar not only hasn't mentioned anything in that sense, it has recently updated the fine print on the steam store for GTA IV adding new clauses:

    Access to special features may require internet connection, may not be available to all users, and may, upon 30 days’ notice, be terminated, modified, or offered under different terms.
    Unauthorized copying, reverse engineering, transmission, public performance, rental, pay for play, or circumvention of copy protection is strictly prohibited
    Partner Requirements: Please check the terms of service of this site before purchasing this software. rockstargames.com/eula
So while Rockstar is washing their hands if their offline, single player, triple-A game stops working in six months, and also prohibiting circumvention of this 'protection', GTA IV is happily being sold by Steam, even today being promoted in their store front page as a daily deal of their winter sale.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #67

The article claims incorrectly that the game had 18 single-player missions. The FAQ linked from the article is for the game "Order of War". "Order of War: Challenge" is a completely separate, multi-player-only game that had its servers shut down and was removed from Steam. The original "Order of War" is still available ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/34600/ ). In addition, the "Challenge" add-on was given free to…

I don't know this game, but if for example Blizzard would shut down the World of Warcraft servers you could still play it on private servers. Same for a lot of other MMOs that do not have their official server anymore like Star Wars Galaxies and Earth & Beyond. People can still play these on private and / or emulated servers.

private servers on WoW are illegal, and you might have to downgrade to be able to join one.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #84
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a non issue for Steam, as such they have no ground to remove the game from users library.

Maybe they were requested to remove it by Square Enix?

It doesn't matter, because Square Enix doesn't own the games that were in players' libraries.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

#89

LOL... steam and all their holier than thou blog posts about being open and better than Microsoft - That was never anything more than a rant about the Windows 8 built in app market that they were afraid would undercut their profits and dominance (a scheme against competition). They are neither open nor respect rights of ownership. AFAIK, Microsoft themselves have never forcefully removed an app from Windows in this m…

Microsoft certainly did remove apps from Windows even after they are purchased. They had Crackdown on WP7 as a tower defense game. They shut down the servers and the game disappeared, never to be seen again. Really pissed me off. They also refused to update their Texas Hold'em game, so when I moved to WP8, the game I had purchased disappeared.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #88
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they were requested to remove it by Square Enix?

It doesn't matter, because Square Enix doesn't own the games that were in players' libraries.

I think the important point missing from that is that Challenges was a free multiplayer add-on given to the owners of the base game. That really changes the nature of them removing the game from user libraries from they removed software that users paid for to they removed a free program that's useless now.
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