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Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

brian -- i've been trying to contact coinbase as well. i sold a decent size of coins (5 figures in USD) and i waited, waited and never received the balance in my bank account although it seems to claim to have completed. i've been waiting for days and contacted your group using support same problem. waiting and waiting... what's going on? it's a large amount of money and i have no idea how to get in contact.

some more details: coins initiated to be sold on Dec 6 -- never received in my bank account although it looks like it "completed" on Dec 12. putting me in a weird financial situation.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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For posterity's sake, here are the sequence of events. Coinbase: 1) stopped replying to support emails even though there was a clear issue 2) only addressed the issue when the victim decided to submit his issue to HN (and only after it sat on the front page for nearly an hour 3) blamed a server upgrade and offered $50 of BTC when the actual loss was well north of $12K 4) only made the customer whole after many HN com…

How did you conclude the actual loss was > $12K? He got the bitcoins at today's price + $50. That seems like there was no loss?

Only because HN kicked up a fuss about it - someone elsewhere in the thread claims they experienced the same delay but were only credited Bitcoins at the locked-in price, causing them a big loss[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6931976

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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post #160

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Lemme get this straight, Brian: Rather than refunding the dollar value ($35,104.11) of the original, clearly botched transaction, you ended up giving him the 40 BTC at their current trading value (about $560), that is, for net a loss of $35,104 - $22,400 = $12,704? And you think $50 plus a thank-you note(!) is enough to make him whole on this loss?

Don't worry, based on their past behaviour I'm pretty sure they'd have managed to refund him the dollar value if the price of Bitcoin skyrocketed.

Have you heard of that happening?

Here some cases where coinbase uses the original price even after a price increase:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qlvgj/psa_rest_eas...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qlvgj/psa_rest_eas...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1cxmuf/bought_5_btc...

And in this current case, coinbase used the new price even though the price decreased. So whether the price increases or decreases, coinbase is taking a loss and gives the money to the consumers.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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post #447

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You clearly haven't been dealing with businesses. 99% doesn't do daily checks. Many notice thins after a month or so, when closing books for month. And some notice those kind of things aften closing a year. But there still are many businesses which won't ever notice or care missing 100 grand. Been there and done that, and it's much more common than you think. In some of those cases I personally think that the busines…

Any sort of financial account should be ACID safe. You can't just receive money on one end, and then it magically doesn't enter a client's account. Bitcoin is great, but the exchanges still suck.

Very few financial systems are ACID. Why do people still think banks run on bloody MySQL?

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Aww, you guys are so cute. You think banks have this stuff under control? Auditors will "find" hundreds of millions of dollars of missing assets on the regs. Many banks are powered by duct tape and loose Excel spreadsheets. That's why things like Basel exist.

Worked at a bank. They have better processes than this. Not gonna say they're perfect, but they can handle balancing their books and not dropping transactions. They certainly don't use a non-ACID PoS like Mongo. Excel was over-used in many places, but was not used for day to day transactions and operations. Yet again, bitcoin apologists inaccurately claim (lie) that banks are actually worse to excuse failings by "the…

Worked at a bank as what? Working at a bank clearly doesn't make someone an expert on their IT infrastructure. The actual financial transaction infrastructure isn't ACID.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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post #306

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There was a similar discussion with a very interesting comment regarding their use of mongodb: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5428382 PG's reply in the thread is very telling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5428372

Holy cow, that's amazing. Q: Does MongoDB support transactions? A: MongoDB does not provide ACID transactions. ( http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/faq/fundamentals/#does-mongod... ) It is crazy to be doing financial stuff in a DB that doesn't provide transactions. It completely blows my mind that anybody would do this.

What is crazy is people claiming a bank uses a transactional database for their financial transaction processing or that all parts of that system are "ACID". Both are false. Don't like MongoDB? Fair enough, it isn't great. But the tech banks use is a lot closer to MongoDB's persistence model than it is to your typical RDBMS.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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I mean, MtGox stands for "Magic The Gathering Online Exchange". They were literally set up to sell trading cards. The whole "being the biggest bank in a new $6bn+ economy" is a pivot. The whole system is crazy. But even by those standards, taking 35 grand and not noticing you didn't give them what they paid for stands out.

Aww, you guys are so cute. You think banks have this stuff under control? Auditors will "find" hundreds of millions of dollars of missing assets on the regs. Many banks are powered by duct tape and loose Excel spreadsheets. That's why things like Basel exist.

> Auditors will "find"

Does Coinbase have external auditors?

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#478

To all of you who say that Bitcoin shouldn't be regulated - this is what it results in. If it was any regulated financial deal - say, purchase of stock or Yen - then there are clear rules on how to handle that, namely, you'd be entitled to at least compensation for any decrease between the 'locked' price at the agreed settlement date and the real settlement, whenever it may happen, and the interest for the period. Re…

No, wrong. The reason people have to put up with Coinbase's shenanigans^, is because of the super intense regulations in this sector. Those of us who would take customer money more seriously (and who would have refused additional customers much earlier) also take legal liabilities more seriously, particularly the legal liabilities of running an unlicensed money transmission business. If these regulations weren't so o…

Lowering standards and allowing a larger number of competitors could bring in a better alternative to Coinbase, thus benefitting users and allowing them to get better service.

However, it would also bring in a bunch of far worse companies, including purposely illegal ones. I'm fairly sure that the average 'quality' would go down even more. There could be a benefit to the more careful users, but consumers in general would simply get defrauded on scale.

If the current quality level is unacceptable, then IMHO it is appropriate to say "guarantee X or get out of the business". Even if it results in 100% everyone getting out of the business - then it simply means that the potentially profitable niche will be waiting until someone is ready to do it properly.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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post #100

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Not sure if this is sarcasm, but $35,000+ is a HUGE sum of money for even the decamillionaires I know.

$35,000 is a huge sum of money. I'm suggesting he sell the 40 or so bitcoin he purchased immediately at market price (~$550), cut his loses and move on. By doing so he would limit the damage and would only lose ~$12,700. Bitcoin will continue to fall and he will continue to lose money. He won't get his money back from CoinBase and he is losing money every second he holds his bitcoin. Losing money sucks. It happens to…

Everything ended up resulting in my favor. Brian from CoinBase issued the BTC earlier today at today's market price. Considering I have been holding about $18k in BTC from prior transactions as well, as of this moment I am down 1.83% on my total investment.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

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Clearly you don't know who mGrunin is. I'd do a little research before making comments like the one above.

An account with 1 comment created ~40 minutes ago. Hmm...

I never created a shell account on here. The only thing I did earlier today was post a link of this thread at a local community forum that I am part of. Some of them came here and supported me. That is all.
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