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I've wondered for awhile about this. Having lived through the first wave of tech companies, where the idea of perks was bagel wednesday and free coffee, I find myself a bit amused at the naked desire to own employees' entire lives. As I worked with more milennials I think I've stumbled across something, and Google (consciously?) tapped into it, brilliantly. The children of the baby boomers, so eager to use social net…
Oh cool,I don't practice religion so I'm an amoral heathen.
Google's Decline Really Bugs Me
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#272What's with the sudden outpouring of Google-hate of late? I totally get that Google is changing, and has been doing so for a while. But I don't see that as "evil," and I'm struggling to see why anybody would. Google around maybe five or six years ago was a wasteland of shoddy, broken, unintegrated products, many with half-assed, confusing interfaces. That's been tightened up - many of their products are now substanti…
People aren't frogs and while the temperature of the water has been rising slowly increasing numbers of people are noticing. When I was at the BBC in the early 2000's they experimented with Digital TV and gradually reduced the bitrate of the broadcasts until the numbers of complaints grew. The interesting thing was when the bitrates were returned to their original levels the complaints didn't stop as the viewers had…
Use GMVault once, and at least the archive of old emails is no longer an issue.
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a guy who inspired two top-level stories yesterday, a few speculations. For myself, the company I once turned to to provide me useful things, save me time, respect my privacy (and certainly not pester me for personal information or publicly link my activity across entirely independent activities and sites), and get out of the way of doing things, is now proving me increasingly useless, wasting my time, disrespecti…
I work at Google, have done for about 7 years now. This is my first comment at HN. I think your comment about "not coercive" is insightful. The biggest change I've seen over time here is that at the start, people never talked about what users should or should not do. They were treated as people who would use our products, or not, and that was A-OK. The subtle trend that underlies a lot of this recent outpouring of di…
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> VOIP had a chance to become as ubiquitous and convenient > as email, but the drop of xmpp fot voice and video took > us back 10 years. XMPP had its chance, and failed to deliver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC is the modern standard-to-be for VOIP, and the original implementation was created by Google.
Thanks for the link, this is informative. BUT: - unless I read this wrong, this protocol does not describe how the initial call is initiated, just how the video and audio is negotiated and transferred over the web. - there is no way to federate with google hangout or other WebRTC services, is there? This is the issue. hHangout is an amazing piece of software, but they give it to us for free to force us to register an…
> unless I read this wrong, this protocol does not
> describe how the initial call is initiated, just how the
> video and audio is negotiated and transferred over the web.
Correct. The underlying application is responsible for initiating calls, using a protocol such as SIP. > there is no way to federate with google hangout or
> other WebRTC services, is there?
That's up to the service. Hangouts doesn't permit federation, but there should be no technical barriers to launching a federated video-chat service.Re: Google's Decline Really Bugs Me
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Are you talking about religious morals or humanist morals? No one I know lacks moral sensibility. Some of them even derive their set from religion. I had a look at my own OED, and it agrees with your definition. It's still not an accurate depiction of the morals of anyone I know.
Lucky you! (and I mean it). I more think about it this way--and hey, if I chose the wrong word, do correct me. When we are changing the world with our technology we don't really stop to think about all the people who will be put out of work by it. We don't as a community really care much about the impact of our companies on our communities (giving to local arts organizations and volunteer efforts in SF are not rising…
My feeling is that, today as a hundred years ago, the bulk of moral education comes from watching and interacting with other humans. Parents, teachers, friends, and neighbors hurting you, helping you, being hurt by you, being helped by you, and discussing all of the above.
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Users of Maps, iWork and Final Cut Pro might disagree.
I never said Apple never shipped a bad product. Apple still tries to ship good products and falls short. Microsoft and Google neglect that because all they try to do is monopolize. That's why Google pulled their maps from iOS.
Now we have two great mapping services on that platform to choose from.
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#277Back when I was showing off my Google T-shirt, this is what they were (archive.org): https://web.archive.org/web/20001203022500/http://www.google... A lot more's changed than just a CEO.
Tried and was disappointed I couldn't search the 2000-era web.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a guy who inspired two top-level stories yesterday, a few speculations. For myself, the company I once turned to to provide me useful things, save me time, respect my privacy (and certainly not pester me for personal information or publicly link my activity across entirely independent activities and sites), and get out of the way of doing things, is now proving me increasingly useless, wasting my time, disrespecti…
I work at Google, have done for about 7 years now. This is my first comment at HN. I think your comment about "not coercive" is insightful. The biggest change I've seen over time here is that at the start, people never talked about what users should or should not do. They were treated as people who would use our products, or not, and that was A-OK. The subtle trend that underlies a lot of this recent outpouring of di…
Thanks. That's one of the biggest changes I've seen. Your comments are interesting (of course, no way to know if you are who you claim to be, though, similarly for myself).
Larry's fear of Facebook.
I've written multiple times on G+ why Google should be focused on Amazon, not FB. Social is ultimately ephemeral. The evaporative cooling effect always kicks in. Given G+'s lack of effective filtering, sooner there than elsewhere. I've posted far too often to Shimrit Ben-Yair (G+'s product manager) on aspects of this.
The other trend I see is self-hosting / distributed services becoming viable. See FreedomBox as an example. A few years off yet, but it'll be a game-changer.
That damn red alerting bell
One of the first things that lead me to segregate my G+ activities from "everything else I do on the Web". I've actually removed the bell via user-side CSS (repeatedly, thanks to repeated CSS class-name changes) from other Google properties. I ultimately found it was easier to 1) not use them when logged in (so: in another browser/session), or 2) use other services (DDG, OpenStreetMaps, FixYT.com / Vimeo, etc.).
if Google+ loses, Google itself will become entirely irrelevant a short time later.
He's wrong. However if he keeps cramming G+ down peoples' throats, he'll keep encouraging exploration of other servcies. Particularly among the more technically literate and thought leaders.
I don't know if Google will change, but unless Larry wakes up and realises Facebook isn't going to kill his business, I think it will continue down the current path for a long time yet.
Sad. In particular, even FB doesn't suffer disadvantage that it's sucking so much else of my information online (mail, video, search), though FB itself is pretty invasive (NB: I don't have a personal Facebook account).
As others have noted, the fear-driven strategy is highly reminiscent of Microsoft, and is among the factors which killed Microsoft's brand among end-users (the OEMs and business partners loved them so long as the money kept flowing).
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I'm not a massive fan of Google, but in their defense they dropped the moto in 2009[0]. [0] http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2009/04/goog...
They've now replaced it with "You can make money without doing evil". https://www.google.com/about/company/philosophy/ (point 6) Presumably the written bit is "but that's not to say we won't anyway".
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While eating my second dinner plate of something delicious on the campus I looked around and saw how many children and families were around. The company provides, so much, for you, for your family. You wouldn't to ever lose what you have now gotten used to, for yourself, for your family. So now you become a company man. What's good for the company must be good for you. What's good about knowing more people, how they…
Google fascinates me. I think it is possibly the first organization in history that embodies concepts from dystopic fiction. Putting a real face to those dystopic ideas can give us a sense of what a true dystopia looks like (short answer: it looks deceptively nice; the horror reveals itself only on close inspection). You mention work. As you say, Google does not just want their employees' time. They want their comple…
How to Deconstruct Almost Anything--My Postmodern Adventure http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/decon.html