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What 4chan thinks of HN

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Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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So, is it mere political correctness which prevents me from calling people "nigger"? Or, is it a desire to respect my fellow human beings? It's not about political correctness. It's about not being a dick. I've said nothing about saying controversial things...I've called out intentional attacks by people with power on people with less power. White kids calling everybody nigger isn't an important discussion that neede…

It's political correctness. Nigger in particularly has had a nice and storied discussion on how arbitrary it's acceptability is. You think you're not being a dick, but your sensitivity is blinding you. I've called my friends things far worse than what nigger objectively means, but the social constructs around it are so bizarre as to make it taboo, but only taboo in my context. Just like sex is taboo. Just like drugs…

4chan, like any diverse online community, has a lot of awesome people using it.

And, yet, 4chan spawned this:

http://jezebel.com/what-happens-when-a-13-year-old-4chan-cam...

And, this:

http://www.dailydot.com/society/adria-richards-4chan-raid-se...

And, this:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/internet/2012/06/dear-inte...

I'm speaking of the culture of the place. Every individual user has the ability to not participate in some of the really awful shit that goes down...but, groupthink and a culture that celebrates the worst of it ("none of us are as cruel as all of us"), leads to some truly awful behavior. And, it is so often white males targeting women (and, worse, young girls).

People with privilege are rarely aware of their privilege, and 4chan is a great exhibition of that. It's possibly useful as a tool for seeing just how much people don't see how awful their community can be, and how much oppressive behavior is tolerated and celebrated. We've got thousands of years of oppression to undo. I'm calling it out, not because I'm "sensitive", but because I've had some of this shit explained to me...I've had my own oppressive behavior called out to me. And, now that I see it, and have begun to understand it, it's my job as a white male ally in a centuries-old struggle to call it out when I see it.

It's not white knighting, and it's not sensitivity. 4chan isn't hurting my feelings or making me mad. 4chan is just doing what white men have done throughout history: Enjoying their position of privilege to make fun of those with less power. And, I recognize it for what it is because I've done it, too. The only surprising thing about it is how much most 4channers think they aren't acting like every prior generation of white men in the face of being asked to treat women and people of color like equals. They genuinely believe they are a different breed, above race, and gender, and identity; all the while promoting the same old shit.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

#143

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Nope. Not what I said, at all. I said that several people on 4chan are assholes, and there's a culture that supports that assholery.

There are assholes everywhere in this world, including HN. Your point? >Some folks probably should feel tied down by their reputation/ego. I'm pretty sure that implies that you don't want the "bigots" in your worldview to be able to express themselves anonymously.

That was not my intention, but I can see how you might have taken it that way. I followed with, "brings the entire discussion down to a level that I don't have any desire to participate in."

My implication was that I opt out of such discussions, and I think (much) less of those who participate in casual sexism, racism, and homophobia.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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I'm actually really surprised they seem to think that the HN community is anti-sexist. Compared to 4chan, maybe, but from my experience it isn't at all.

4chan considers reddit to be a hotbed of radical feminist activism, solely due to /r/SRS. Of course, they'd probably say the same of any community where you use something close to real names, like HN.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

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> Being susceptible and unwilling to accept it makes you manipulatable. If one person cracking watermelon jokes gets under your skin, think what a psychopath with an end game pounding the drum of affirmative action can do. I'm afraid I'm not following your logic. Care to explain further?

if you react to a negative social appeal emotionally, you will react to a positive social appeal in the same manner. Basically, if I can get you to react with misogyny, I have a level of control over you.

I think you strike the nail on the head here, and in the process touch on something that I have noticed:

"Trolling" is about power. People do it because being able to push somebodies emotions one direction or another lets them play with that person like a marionette. Making people upset is a power trip for trolls.

It would not suprise me if many (not most by any means, but many) trolls are in fact psychopaths who are 'practicing' in a way. Running low-risk experiments on how to control people.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

#147

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That first one is my post! Haha. Can't believe someone noticed it.

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

#148
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Parodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be fo…

I think 4chan has harmed the world a lot more than HN shrug .

I like how, in a thread parodying HN comments, one 4-channer still managed to complain about "white-knighting".

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

#149
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OK, I think maybe we're talking past one another. So, let's get specific: What "progressive dogma" have I brought up that you believe we should be able to discuss and that you should be able to disagree with?

You haven't brought up any. But some are pretty common. I'm just arguing that PC prevents free thought and the dispassionate analysis of evidence, since it applies moral values to the evidence itself and it prejudicially strikes out some plausible hypotheses. For example, I don't buy that racism is the sole reason for the underrepresentation of some ethnic minority groups in tech because other ethnic minority groups…

Ah, so I see I have given the impression that I believe anonymous forums shouldn't be allowed to exist (via some mechanism...not sure what, maybe the state?). That was not my intention; you aren't the only one to take this thread down that path. I lean anarchist...I don't want anyone forcing anybody to do anything, and I think anonymous forums are necessary.

But, I also think 4chan revels in its privilege, and many of its participants are pretentious enough to believe they are above gender and race and identity, when they're really just reproducing the same patterns white men have practiced at every point in history when someone asked to be treated equally. It doesn't mean they should be censored. But, I think people should feel empowered to call it out for what it is...but calling it out gets shouted down pretty quick on 4chan (I can hear the cries of "white knight" from here).

Re: What 4chan thinks of HN

#150
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How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, references must be 0-based [5]) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation [5…

Are you seriously complaining that too many people are citing their sources?
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