can someone who is better informed than me compare the typhoon a few weeks back in orissa, India with 12 casualties and this one. note - this isn't a rhetoric. I genuinely want to understand what is the reason for such a massive difference. I have financial interests in that exact part of India and actually have been thinking that the govt is pretty well prepared (given, well that it is India).
I mentioned this in another thread, but I will regurgitate it here. I don't consider myself well informed. But I live in the Philippines and I have been in a high wind, light flooding typhoon and a low wind high flooding typhoon. Of the two, the high flooding typhoon caused a lot more damage and loss of life. You can't make apples to apples comparisons on typhoons. Wind speed isn't necessarily the most destructive fa…
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#132If you are trying to find someone in the Philippines in the aftermath of the typhoon, you can try using one of these sources: PeopleLocator ( https://pl.nlm.nih.gov/ ) Google PersonFinder ( http://google.org/personfinder/2013-yolanda/query?role=seek ) alternate source for Google PersonFinder ( http://google.org/personfinder/global/home.html ) Red Cross request for help restoring contact ( http://familylinks.icrc.org/…
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#133Wow, that's an insane death toll. To put this in perspective, last year, another super typhoon, Pablo, killed close to 2000 I believe. The year before that another devastating typhoon, Sendong, killed something like 1200. The Philippines regularly gets hit with 20 typhoons each year and the typhoon season isn't over. Each of the above mentioned typhoons hit in December. This has to be among the deadliest in Philippin…
> Many of the people here live in bamboo / wooden structures which stand no chance against a strong typhoon. Compounding that, these strong storms are extremely hard to defend against. When I heard that Hayian was a strong Class 5 hurricane equivalent, it sent a chill down my spine. Perspective: I recall a homeowner returning to a non-waterfront home after one of the "big" Class 4's that hit southern Florida. His hou…
Cinder blocks - yes, I believe that is mostly what they do there.
It is possible to adapt to typhoons. It does require resources.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Precisely my point. This is localized catastrophe. For us, it has less effect than car accident happening to our neighbor. Because the people who died were poor, this accident adds net positive emotional entertainment value to the life of typical consumer.
What's your favorite Ayn Rand novel?
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
To put things into context. 1.3 million people die and 50 million people are injured in car accidents every year. Nature disasters are just side show in human life at this point.
This comparison is outrageous. Speaking of things out of context, fewer than three thousand people died in 9/11[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11...
The same is in this situation - while help is needed in restoring the communities and sheltering survivors; in the long run anyway those "common killers" should be a priority for the same Philippines communitities, not overly focusing on typhoon-safety.
And the 10 000 dead isn't the number that should be emphasised above others - the main pain in this disaster is the millions of wounded and displaced; I wouldn't be surprised if the death toll of these displacement consequences (malnutrition, disease, etc) is larger than from the initial impact.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, yes! I am so glad somebody mentioned this. The political system in the Philippines is so rotten that it gets in the way of any intelligent, scientific solution ever proposed to every problem the country has. I personally think that that is the root problem here. I have no idea how to solve that, though.
Having lived in the Philippines and the U.S. I have this observation. The U.S. is not more or less corrupt that the Philippines. They just do it with more _style_. By that I mean, they are just better at hiding it.
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The wind was reported at 195 mph with 235 mph gusts That's insane. I'm sure it would rip out most testing equipment. I've seen the damage from similar micro-bursts ( nothing is left standing. And I mean nothing alive. Complete devastation. It would look like thos pictures from when the meteor hit Siberian in the early 20th century. A mess of matchsticks. _______ edit: updated info Haiyan attained its peak intensity w…
Yes it is. I'm hearing of reports that measuring equipment actually failed because they maxed out. They say there are actually some things they can't give an accurate measurement of because the equipment burst.
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It sounds like their entire community and economy is devastated. If disaster taps on your neighborhood window, I suspect you would sing a different tune.
Precisely my point. This is localized catastrophe. For us, it has less effect than car accident happening to our neighbor. Because the people who died were poor, this accident adds net positive emotional entertainment value to the life of typical consumer.
Not to be cynical, but I imagine if they were rich celebrities it'd add even more dubious 'entertainment' value.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, yes! I am so glad somebody mentioned this. The political system in the Philippines is so rotten that it gets in the way of any intelligent, scientific solution ever proposed to every problem the country has. I personally think that that is the root problem here. I have no idea how to solve that, though.
Having lived in the Philippines and the U.S. I have this observation. The U.S. is not more or less corrupt that the Philippines. They just do it with more _style_. By that I mean, they are just better at hiding it.
Rather than compare anecdotes though, look at some actual data: http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/
(USA is ranked 17; Philippines is 105. Lower is better.)
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#140I'll just leave this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzxTXk1JCFw To Americans: Is this even legit?