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Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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It was clear days before landfall that this was a huge storm; the ships should have already been enroute, and other supplies staged in Guam and Okinawa.

Wouldn't travelling from Okinawa to Philippines have put those ships in the path of the storm?

Not quite, japan is north of the Philippines and the storm hit the southern end. Still, I'm sure with a storm that large, it would make for a rough trip.

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News reports before the typhoon hit said 4000 people had been evacuated. Why only 4000? Lack of resources? Now that the typhoon has devastated the philippines, the international community is sending aid, money, resources. Why can't the same be done before a disaster like this hits? I'm sure the millions pouring in now could have gone a long way to evacuate people or set up shelters, dams, pumps, before it killed 10,0…

It is a human problem. Humans live in areas where the scientific community knows certain disasters will eventually hit, sometime. It is hard to convince someone to allocate $100 now to save $1000 later, because it is later. You don't see the result now and might not in your lifetime and the prospect of "it probably won't happen" is easy to justify.

and yes prevention costs less almost always.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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This could have clearly been avoided. See what India did with Phalin, with an early warning system and planned evacuation: http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/13/india-cyclone-phail... Less than 20 people died.

I don't know, there are a lot of variables. As someone else mentioned, not only was this storm stronger, but it was at the theoretical maximum strength that a storm could be. So, it's possibly among the strongest ever to hit land. You can't get good info from the news and of course any government will has its own agenda to look good. Getting good data from 3rd world countries is also hard. We took a direct hit (eye p…

Thank you for this.

It's easy to make armchair judgements and comparison when not armed with all the facts.

The truth is, the country will always have issues (bureaucracy, corruption, etc) dealing with these natural disasters, but combatting poverty will go much further in avoiding loss of life. The vast majority of those affected have a hand to mouth existence and have basically no choice but to live in areas that put them in the highest risk (low lying, coastal, flood prone) in structures that are all but guaranteed to fail in a storm.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Typhoon Haiyan is much bigger and much stronger. The wind was reported at 195 mph with 235 mph gusts. This kind of wind destroys everything on its way, peels asphalt off the roads, removes soil, etc. Phailin maxed out at 160 mph. That's quite a lot of difference.

The wind was reported at 195 mph with 235 mph gusts That's insane. I'm sure it would rip out most testing equipment. I've seen the damage from similar micro-bursts ( nothing is left standing. And I mean nothing alive. Complete devastation. It would look like thos pictures from when the meteor hit Siberian in the early 20th century. A mess of matchsticks. _______ edit: updated info Haiyan attained its peak intensity w…

Yes it is. I'm hearing of reports that measuring equipment actually failed because they maxed out. They say there are actually some things they can't give an accurate measurement of because the equipment burst.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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I'm also in Dumaguete. gavhug at gmail com.

Gavin? I have been in contact with you already. I didn't know you were still around though. Are you still doing the Ruby meetups? Edit: Yep, that's you. I have you in my contacts list. I will send you another email. ;) Edit Edit: And yes, for those of you reading this comment, this is an indication of how small the tech world here is, even in a decent sized city in the Philippines.

I like Dumaguete City, have been there several times. I remember crusing down Rizal Boulevard with my girl, stopping to pick up some "silvanas" from Sans Rival. Really refreshing when it gets hot. Then hopping on the ferry to Bohol. Those were the days...

http://heart-2-heart-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/s...

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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This could have clearly been avoided. See what India did with Phalin, with an early warning system and planned evacuation: http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/13/india-cyclone-phail... Less than 20 people died.

I wouldn't say that like it's that easy. Not a good time to talk politics, but I think that the long history of corruption in the government has a lot to do with the unpreparedness for the disasters (including the preceding earthquake). In fact, there's an ongoing senate hearing on a pretty high-profile scam involving congressmen and, well, the senators themselves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_Development_Assistance...).

How this could have been avoided is likely a touchy subject at the moment. Even the president walked out of his meeting with the local officials to cool his head off from great dismay.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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US "news" is finally starting to cover this. I mean 10K, that is just beyond devastating, it should be front page news for months. We lost 1800 with Katrina.

Totally agreed. The US (including the rest of the First world countries) has the means and the ability to do so much in the name of humanitarian efforts. It is sad to see these types of disasters fall by the wayside. Anyone still remember Puerto Rico?

>Anyone still remember Puerto Rico?

As a Puerto Rican in a thread about natural disasters I don't know what you're talking about.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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The 2004 Tsunami killed 250,000 people, and that only managed to stay on the news for a few weeks.

Oh my gosh I had no idea the final toll was that high. That part of the world is being devastated.

ck2, you are definitely an interesting character. You go on anti-military rants, have anti-gun posts, attack the Red Cross as corrupt, criticize the US news, but claim not to understand one of the worst modern natural disasters. I don't suppose you live in the New York City area? I get the feeling we could have quite a few long debates. :-)

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Wow, that's an insane death toll. To put this in perspective, last year, another super typhoon, Pablo, killed close to 2000 I believe. The year before that another devastating typhoon, Sendong, killed something like 1200. The Philippines regularly gets hit with 20 typhoons each year and the typhoon season isn't over. Each of the above mentioned typhoons hit in December. This has to be among the deadliest in Philippin…

It seems like there are two separate things needed -- overall increase in wealth creation, and better survivability of structures (or at least shelters) at the current price points (or maybe in the price points somewhat above the current point.) (I was looking at being in Cebu or Leyte for diving last week, but my ear was slightly sore so I went to Bangkok first instead. Pretty happy about that.)

The other thing that is needed is a revolt against the totally heinous levels of political corruption in the Philippines. Which will probably be a lot harder to do than better engineering.
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