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Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Precisely my point. This is localized catastrophe. For us, it has less effect than car accident happening to our neighbor. Because the people who died were poor, this accident adds net positive emotional entertainment value to the life of typical consumer.

'Adds net positive emotional entertainment value' ??? Seriously, WFT?

You think the news networks are not rubbing their hands about this? They LOVE a good disaster especially if it happens in an impoverished area.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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If every years a typhoon is going to come along and wipe out % of your infrastructure putting the affected regions of the country back to square one yet again, coming up with a workable solution to that should be a super high priority. This is correct. Yet Miami is hit by a hurricane every seven years on average, and they don't manage to move the power lines underground, instead preferring to hang the wire above grou…

My understanding was that since Florida is essentially at sea level the water table was high enough that it would not be safe or practical to put electrical wires underground. Could be wrong though.

"Florida is essentially at sea level"

Sea level goes up in a hurricane, way up. And the only thing worse than freshwater flood for underground wires is saltwater. And if the ground mounted transformers are flooded and destroyed you're losing power. And once power is cut, the power co can't just flip a switch without burning down the whole city, because flood damage means 0.1% of houses will catch fire and the fire dept is already busy with their own issues not to mention trees in the road and such.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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I still don't get why the US Navy hasn't put an LHD or equivalent amphibious group into the relief effort -- it would be a great humanitarian thing, plus a show of strength for one of our key Pacific allies after the "pivot to Asia" -- a pretty clear implication that if we can put a battalion ashore to help hours after a hurricane, we can do similar things during a conflict. Extra points due to the huge number of USN…

Nobody has mentioned Subic Bay Naval base with respect to the politics of sending in the Navy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Naval_Base_Subic_Bay

The last time we had ships stationed there, admittedly 20 years ago, they were VERY happy to see us go.

Yes, strictly humanitarian and all that, but...

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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Wow, that's an insane death toll. To put this in perspective, last year, another super typhoon, Pablo, killed close to 2000 I believe. The year before that another devastating typhoon, Sendong, killed something like 1200. The Philippines regularly gets hit with 20 typhoons each year and the typhoon season isn't over. Each of the above mentioned typhoons hit in December. This has to be among the deadliest in Philippin…

I currently live in Siargao Island, Surigao del Norte.

The typhoon past us with about a distance of 190km from the eye and was anticipated to hit us first. We were issued with a signal 4 warning at Category 5 as it passed the northern parts around 2-3am. Yolanda didn't really make an real impact on the island - We only lost communications and electricity from about 9pm to 6pm the next day, had some minor roads flooded and little damage on property.

My best guess is that we got the backspin of the storm and was left with out great damage.

Before the storm past, tourists were leaving, locals were deciding to either stay or evacuate to higher grounds inland and expats tried to follow. There was problems leaving the island by boat because of the big waves and airplanes had already aborted landing on Monday. The risk was that either being hit by mudslides because of the expected 100mm rainfall, or being trapped inside of your house due the strong winds and storm surge.

Everyone seemed well informed and took appropriate action well before Yolanda would possibly hit us. We stocked up on water and food enough for a couple of days on Wednesday, on Thursday the concrete house i'm staying at got packed with people trying to get safe/shelter.

At night, Yolanda made its presence with wind and heavy rain, but thanks to low tide, we where lucky to stay un-flooded by the additional (reported) 5.5m sea-level rise.

A few hours later, it hit Tacloban/Samar (200km from us) and destroyed a lot in its path. The towns/islands where effected so hard because of high tide, which enabled the flooding.

I want to make clear that, the Government/Community/WeatherStations did a great job informing the residencies about the possible dangers.

A lot of people did evacuate, but as I said before, there was only choices between uncertainty available. I will mention that the locals here seem to have become accustom to the weather due to the ~20 typhoons/storms per year, and also seem to take it a bit lighter then they sometimes should. The weather can shift and the typhoons direction can change in an instant, hitting the least expected areas.

Im just hoping that the incoming storm wont make to difficult for the Philippines to recover! We are already preparing and are discussing possible options/evacuation plans.

My thoughts goes to those who have lost or are missing family and friends. Best regards

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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US "news" is finally starting to cover this. I mean 10K, that is just beyond devastating, it should be front page news for months. We lost 1800 with Katrina.

Katrina was a convenient political football. The balanced truth was rarely, if ever, reported on. Then again, if they can make the case that somehow this typhoon is Bush's fault ...

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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The other thing that is needed is a revolt against the totally heinous levels of political corruption in the Philippines. Which will probably be a lot harder to do than better engineering.

Yes, yes! I am so glad somebody mentioned this. The political system in the Philippines is so rotten that it gets in the way of any intelligent, scientific solution ever proposed to every problem the country has. I personally think that that is the root problem here. I have no idea how to solve that, though.

Having lived in the Philippines and the U.S. I have this observation. The U.S. is not more or less corrupt that the Philippines. They just do it with more _style_. By that I mean, they are just better at hiding it.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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I still don't get why the US Navy hasn't put an LHD or equivalent amphibious group into the relief effort -- it would be a great humanitarian thing, plus a show of strength for one of our key Pacific allies after the "pivot to Asia" -- a pretty clear implication that if we can put a battalion ashore to help hours after a hurricane, we can do similar things during a conflict. Extra points due to the huge number of USN…

Nobody has mentioned Subic Bay Naval base with respect to the politics of sending in the Navy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Naval_Base_Subic_Bay The last time we had ships stationed there, admittedly 20 years ago, they were VERY happy to see us go. Yes, strictly humanitarian and all that, but...

The U.S. Navy makes port call at Subic Bay multiple times per year. I actually made a port call there as recently as 2008. Not to mention:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom_%E2%...

Even though we don't have any "permanent" bases (which is up for discussion) in the Philippines, we still have very strong military ties with them.

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

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"""It's worth reiterating that for all the obvious destructive power of sustained wind speeds of almost 200mph, it was the associated storm surge – the rush of water into coastal areas – which caused the worst damage in Tacloban, and most likely many of the deaths. The storm surge in Tacloban was estimated at 6m, sweeping away even concrete buildings, and bringing the sort of devastation so reminiscent of the Indian…

What would you suggest is a good system/set-up that would have made a difference here?

It's hard to say. You need large hurricane-proofed buildings in the higher barangays. As a person intimately familiar with the Tacloban/Leyte area, that's hard to accomplish since the area is so low-lying where it hit hardest.

The three biggest needs to prevent a large death-toll from something like this:

1. Education regarding effects of disasters (e.g. what a storm surge is, what areas are likely to be affected by landslides, etc.)

2. Basic first aid medication (having seen my fair share of misadventure in the Philippines, I can confidently say that a subsidized boy scout-style training program would work wonders there)

3. Instructions for putting together 72-hour crash bags, which should be kept in convenient locations (this is a good idea generally -- no matter where one lives a calamity could occur, and having copies of important documents/candles/matches/clean water can make a huge difference).

Re: Typhoon Haiyan kills 10,000 in Philippines

#129

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It sounds like their entire community and economy is devastated. If disaster taps on your neighborhood window, I suspect you would sing a different tune.

Precisely my point. This is localized catastrophe. For us, it has less effect than car accident happening to our neighbor. Because the people who died were poor, this accident adds net positive emotional entertainment value to the life of typical consumer.

Excuse your psychopathy however you please.
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