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Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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+1 for keto. The wife and I have lost 20 lbs each in the last 3 months.

Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

Indeed he will.

But a good diet or a good language/platform may help in realizing your goals by not burning your willpower.

A corollary to this law is that bad programming languages/platforms make you fat.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

As long as the fad diet isn't too crazy. (You won't lose weight on a caloric surplus, for example.)

Not sure if this comment is facetious or not, but Dr. Peter Attia switched to eating 5,100 cal/day ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E0pFl370Y 11:19), mostly sat fat, and goes from 195 lbs (12:26) to 170, with the only weight lost being fat. Calories aren't calories.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Seems like Lustig's point is that a high-fructose diet is worse for you than a high-fat diet. We have replaced the fat in our diet with fructose, but that isn't necessary. We could just eat carbs low in fructose and/or more protein instead of fat. Regardless, this article is discussing saturated fat, which is a subset of all fats. "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very lit…

> "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very little saturated fat. Why do you consider those oils to be healthful?

Maybe he meant healthier than other types of oils. E.g., olive oil is healthier than corn oil.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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There are probably thousands of articles on the topic. I'd there any reason we shouldn't just accept the opinion of the FDA or AMA

The same reason you should not accept the TSA's opinion on security, or the FED's opinion on economics, or the DEA's opinion on marijuana, or the NSA's opinion on information security, or the SEC's opinion on market manipulation. They are not working for you; while they try to avoid uprising, and that often does correlate with what is good for you - they generally care more about the profits/benefits to themselves/su…

You just blew my mind. ;)

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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or the IPCC's opinion on global warming...

I haven't been following them recently, perhaps they are a little more dependable now - but in the late 80s they had reports saying a lot of coastal cities will be flooded by 2000 if we don't do anything. We didn't do anything. Nothing happened - but in 2008 I looked and those early reports mysteriously disappeared. Yes, climate does change, for sure, and it's probably bad - but so many of the climate scientists were…

I agree with you - I hate the "the science is decided" or the "economics is decided" argument for any of the examples you mentioned. Whether it is saturated fat, sea level rise, or quantitative easing, one should maintain a healthy skepticism.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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ketogenic diets have been shown to help a variety of conditions, obesity on one hand, and epilepsy on the other (although, as far as I know, the mechanism is unknown)

It's interesting how much diet affects people. There's also a diet for Autism/ADHD/.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten-free,_casein-free_diet

from TFWA

>In their report, the AAP found that they could not recommend the use of special diets for children with autism spectrum disorder because of inadequate evidence.

> A 2008 systematic review from the Cochrane Library indicates that a gluten-free and/or casein-free diet has not been shown to have any effect on the behavior or functioning of individuals with autism

> The systematic review, conducted in 2009, concluded that the results "reveal that the current corpus of research does not support the use of GFCF diets in the treatment of ASD.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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I think a bigger war to end is that against carbs. The paleo diet trend has gotten out of hand, everybody's afraid to touch bread now. There's evidence both on a large scale (population wide - there are countries like Italy where carbs are abundant in the diet, and others where fats are more common) and in controlled studies, that your carb-calorie to fat-calorie intake ratio makes little difference to your overall health as long as you're getting both, along with protein.

Yet we have a group of people focusing religiously on minimizing carb intake and preaching to everyone about it. Am I seriously going to live an extra 20 years of youth if I don't eat delicious sandwiches for lunch?

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

As long as the fad diet isn't too crazy. (You won't lose weight on a caloric surplus, for example.)

I guite enjoyed the recent series of posts on gnolls.org "a calorie is not a calorie". I was quite convinced before that calories in has to equal to calories out for a stable weight, now I'm quite far from being sure

First article in the series:

http://www.gnolls.org/3374/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-calor...

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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It's several decades past due. Robert Lustig, quoted in the article, gave a fantasticly informative talk which hit youtube a few years back, which explains the folly of the low-fat diet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Seems like Lustig's point is that a high-fructose diet is worse for you than a high-fat diet. We have replaced the fat in our diet with fructose, but that isn't necessary. We could just eat carbs low in fructose and/or more protein instead of fat. Regardless, this article is discussing saturated fat, which is a subset of all fats. "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very lit…

Healthy oils actually tend to have a lot of saturated fat in them. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, are all quite rich in saturated fats, and actually are good for you (no scare quotes needed). The reason those oils are considered healthy is because of the types of saturated and unsaturated fats they contain.

Canola, or rapeseed, oil is somewhat less certainly good for you. And is quite low in saturated fats; which is why it became so popular. It was a low saturated fat alternative to higher saturated fat oils. That was probably a premature optimization...a variable was optimized before the full effects of diet were understood. Grapeseed might be a healthier alternatve to rapeseed oil for high heat cooking (olive oil has too low of a smoke point for any serious cooking, it's more of a finishing oil, if you care about your health). I skip it, along with corn oil and soybean oil. I don't know that it's unhealthy, but I've been seeing evidence that it might be for a few years now. The evidence that it is more healthy than other oils has all but evaporated, however, so there's no reason to choose it over cooking oils that have more recent and convincing evidence of their effect on health.

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