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This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

This is really interesting and inspiring for someone like me who is in his mid twenties. Burning question: what to do when you have (education) debt? Do you put every spare dollar in repaying it or still inculcate a habit of saving 20%?

Recent college grad and young working professional here. I graduated with ~$25k in student loan debt 2 years ago and am due to pay it all off by April 2014. I struggled with burning question, as well.

The general advice I got was that if the loan interest rate is less than 6%, you're better off investing the majority of your excess cash into something like an index fund since it theoretically will give you >6% gains.

However, I hate the stress, mental overhead, and risk involved in owing somebody money, so I decided to automatically save 10% of each paycheck (set up direct deposit to funnel 10% to a separate savings/investment account) and essentially contribute as much as possible after that to student loans.

I'm happy where I currently am - almost out of debt and with a non-trivial amount saved up. The key for me was automatically moving the first 10% to savings then setting an ambitious goal each month to put toward debt. Good luck!

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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I trade in individual securities, but I put in the time to learn about the companies, the industry, and so on. Also, having taking econ, accounting, finance, and statistics in college helps.

Professional traders have been known to put in the time to learn about this stuff too. Don't fool yourself. You might make some good bets. You might make some bad ones. You're not going to systematically outperform a market as an individual investor by anything but luck (or plausibly by chasing a "hunch" based on good intuition and evidence that the professionals missed -- but don't fool yourself, that's luck too).

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

"Never borrow money" excludes Smart Debt: Debt someone else pays for you, such as Investment Property, or Big Business (not small business. This definition of Big Business is where you have a controlling interest and you can leave for 6 months and business is even better).

It depends on how quickly you wish to generate wealth. Leverage (OPM, OPT) must be used wisely, but significantly speeds up the process.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think you can beat the market? Are you a professional stock market trader? If you answered yes to the first question but no to the second, why?

I think with good domain knowledge and basic knowledge of economics and finance your average Joe can do better than the market. There's a lot of low hanging fruit in the stock market that a small investor in particular can grab because their size allows a certain level of under-the-radar activity.

> I think with good domain knowledge and basic knowledge of economics and finance your average Joe can do better than the market.

There's a word for people like you: suckers.

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post #37

Seems like good advice, though a great many Americans are at a disadvantage because their employer doesn't offer a 401k. Even with no employer match, a 401k allows an individual to save much more money in a tax-advantaged account ($17,500 for a 401k vs. $5500 for an IRA). If you're a W-2 employee but your employer doesn't offer a 401k then you're pretty much stuck paying higher tax rates on any savings beyond $5500/y…

With no employer match, a 401k has ZERO tax advantages. Because it merely delays when your income is taxed: after withdrawing it from the 401k. Mathematically you end up with the same capital whether your pay income taxes today and invest post-tax money, or whether you invest in a pre-tax 401k and pay taxes later.

That's only true if you expect to earn the same amount (or more specifically, to be at the same tax rate) while putting money in as you will while taking money out.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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post #58
post #37

Seems like good advice, though a great many Americans are at a disadvantage because their employer doesn't offer a 401k. Even with no employer match, a 401k allows an individual to save much more money in a tax-advantaged account ($17,500 for a 401k vs. $5500 for an IRA). If you're a W-2 employee but your employer doesn't offer a 401k then you're pretty much stuck paying higher tax rates on any savings beyond $5500/y…

With no employer match, a 401k has ZERO tax advantages. Because it merely delays when your income is taxed: after withdrawing it from the 401k. Mathematically you end up with the same capital whether your pay income taxes today and invest post-tax money, or whether you invest in a pre-tax 401k and pay taxes later.

That's not how it works. You pay last-dollar taxes on the money that would otherwise go into the 401k. You pay first-dollar taxes it when you withdraw at retirement. The first-dollar taxes are lower up to the tax bracket you'd otherwise be in if you didn't contribute to the 401k, unless you have additional sources of retirement income.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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I consider it to be a huge oversight that they left off building an emergency fund. Before buying a house, buying individual securities, or maxing any retirement contributions, you need enough liquidity in your investments to get you through an illness or layoff that leaves you without income for a year. It amazes me how otherwise intelligent peers of mine will be paying extra on mortgages, student loans, and retirem…

Do you need a full year of income liquid? I would think 3-6 months liquid and the rest could be liquidated when needed (for the remaining 6-9 months).

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The savings part sounds like advice from Mr. Money Mustache, there was discussion about his advice here before. "Never borrow money" would include never having a mortgage, which would be a huge lost opportunity for many. Not to mention borrowing money to invest in oneself, start a business, etc.

A mortgage is one of the few exceptions, and even then you should carefully consider whether renting or buying makes more sense. A car, notably, is not a good exception. Education depends heavily on return on investment; you'd want to carefully analyze how much more you'll make with that education, how long it'll take you to pay off the debt, etc. It can certainly make sense when attempting to bootstrap yourself if y…

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Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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There are a couple of good parts about this post. The first is the HN comments, which are an unintentional fountain of hilarity. But the second is the assumptions.

50% of the US population can't afford to put even a dollar into any sort of investment security. Of the 50% of the public that does own some sort of security, most of them are in the three-figures range. This index card, without realizing it at all, has targeted itself towards the top 10% of the population: people who have jobs with 401Ks, people for whom Roth IRAs will be useful.

In other words, if you are well into being one of the richest people in the richest country in the world, here you go - save 20% of your income, and so on. And you'll be fine!

So I'm just curious: suppose you aren't?

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