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This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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What does HN think about the last statement? -Promote social programs for when things go wrong

Sounds like political advice more than financial advice. In a similar vein, I would advise people to support charities that help the less fortunate like food banks, but I wouldn't consider that financial advice.

he clearly qualifies it for "when things go wrong", so the suggestion is more like some kind of insurance in case that happens

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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What does HN think about the last statement? -Promote social programs for when things go wrong

So in the ideal world everyone around you is doing the same thing as the card. If that is true, then when something goes wrong there will be plenty of safeguards already in place.

It takes a special kind of hubris to social welfare benefits believing you will never need them.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

The savings part sounds like advice from Mr. Money Mustache, there was discussion about his advice here before.

"Never borrow money" would include never having a mortgage, which would be a huge lost opportunity for many. Not to mention borrowing money to invest in oneself, start a business, etc.

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post #13

Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

The savings part sounds like advice from Mr. Money Mustache, there was discussion about his advice here before. "Never borrow money" would include never having a mortgage, which would be a huge lost opportunity for many. Not to mention borrowing money to invest in oneself, start a business, etc.

A mortgage is one of the few exceptions, and even then you should carefully consider whether renting or buying makes more sense. A car, notably, is not a good exception.

Education depends heavily on return on investment; you'd want to carefully analyze how much more you'll make with that education, how long it'll take you to pay off the debt, etc. It can certainly make sense when attempting to bootstrap yourself if your alternative is no higher education at all, but if you're in a financial position where you have to borrow for tuition, you may well qualify for better options such as scholarships. If you're reasonably well off and borrowing to go to a higher-end school, that makes much less sense.

And yes, the savings -> years to retirement table came from a Mr. Money Mustache article: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-sim... .

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

"Save 20%" ... gross or net?

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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I consider it to be a huge oversight that they left off building an emergency fund.

Before buying a house, buying individual securities, or maxing any retirement contributions, you need enough liquidity in your investments to get you through an illness or layoff that leaves you without income for a year.

It amazes me how otherwise intelligent peers of mine will be paying extra on mortgages, student loans, and retirement funds with less than $5k in the bank.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like political advice more than financial advice. In a similar vein, I would advise people to support charities that help the less fortunate like food banks, but I wouldn't consider that financial advice.

he clearly qualifies it for "when things go wrong", so the suggestion is more like some kind of insurance in case that happens

They have insurance for that. Why isn't that suggested then?

No, someone thought they'd be cute and throw a political jab in there.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

#18
Am I alone in wondering if the advice about broad index funds is no longer good?

We're still below the s&p inflation adjusted high from ~2000 -- almost 14 years later. When will the gains finally arrive?

I worry that there is some systemic problem in our economy that has leaders playing whack-a-crisis every five or ten years that erases years of gains.

I've read John Bogle and I want to believe. But a few years ago I took some money out of index funds and placed it in a rental property and so far I've seen very predicable returns with no loss in principle, and it makes me wonder if I should keep bothering with index funds at all.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

#19

Almost all of this is excellent advice, except for one point: "save 20% of your money". That's a bare minimum, which will let you retire after about 37 years of working. Bump it to 35% and you'll retire after 25 years. Bump it to 50% and retire in 17. Bump it to two-thirds and retire in 10 years. That's one of the most important factors in your personal finances: not how much you make off your investments, not whethe…

"Save 20%" ... gross or net?

Net. Gross is uninteresting for almost all purposes other than pre-tax investments you can make; just write off taxes as a drag force and pay attention to what fraction of your net income you're saving.

The important detail about increasing your savings rate: it also means decreasing your spending rate, and you can retire as soon as your savings generates income greater than your spending rate, not greater than your overall income.

Re: This 4×6 index card has all the financial advice you’ll ever need

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What does HN think about the last statement? -Promote social programs for when things go wrong

So in the ideal world everyone around you is doing the same thing as the card. If that is true, then when something goes wrong there will be plenty of safeguards already in place. It takes a special kind of hubris to social welfare benefits believing you will never need them.

> So in the ideal world everyone around you is doing the same thing as the card.

That still doesn't constitute financial advice, unless your choice to follow the card somehow influences others to follow the same card, which is unlikely at any measurable level.

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