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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by throwawaykf02 »

corresation wrote: post #121
Anechoic wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I speculate that Microsoft snapped up Nokia because they threatened starting an Android line of phones. Remember that MS makes money off Android phones. MS also gets a nice patent bonus along [..] Apple admitted defeat in its patent fight with Nokia, something it hasn't done with anybody else Apple has (well had but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was renewed) a patent cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft so this co…

Remember that MS makes money off Android phones. Purportedly. I engaged in a debate on here before which involved trying to find the supposedly enormous sums of money that Microsoft makes from Android in their quarterly financial statements. At best it has to amount to what would be chump change to a company like Microsoft. Instead we hear about supposed agreements where vendors who all happen to also be Windows Phon…

I think people dug into their latest earnings and made a case that MS did make a few hundred mil on Android phone licenses.

But you're right: it's chump change to MS, and Nokia putting out even a single Android phone would have been a huge blow to MS.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by macspoofing »

hippee-lee wrote: post #129
macspoofing wrote: post #100

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>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft. >Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ... Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance o…

Can we not talk about this in terms of war and battle? It is the business of selling consumer electronics, same as it has always been. You do explain your position well but I feel the references to war and battle water it down. No one has been killed in the development of phones. I get that the MBA crowd read the art of war and it's practical knowledge seeped into popular discussion. But the endless reference to war…

How about we use language and imagery that most people understand.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by corresation »

wmboy wrote: post #135
corresation wrote: post #124

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Microsoft's own press release makes clear that they are not buying any patents. They are buying a 10-year license to Nokia's patents. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/Sep13/09-02An... This is almost certainly to lubricate regulatory approval, and because it unleashes a Nokia patent monster upon the lands.

> ...they are not buying any patents. They are buying a 10-year license to Nokia's patents. That's basically the same isn't it? A patent can only remain active for 20 years, assuming most of the patents are several years old the majority of them will be pretty close to expiration in 10 years time. Note: I'm basing this on NZ patent law, but I assuming it's the same for any 1st world country...

That's basically the same isn't it?

If Microsoft owned the patents they could enforce them against others. As a licensee, they simply protect themselves from Nokia enforcing it against them.

As I said elsewhere in here, a Nokia with a big stack of patents and no hardware business is going to be an ugly thing for the industry: They can go gangbusters with patent assaults while having nothing for their victim's to attack in return. All the while Microsoft will be enjoying their 10-year license.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by cpayne »

corresation wrote: post #121
Anechoic wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I speculate that Microsoft snapped up Nokia because they threatened starting an Android line of phones. Remember that MS makes money off Android phones. MS also gets a nice patent bonus along [..] Apple admitted defeat in its patent fight with Nokia, something it hasn't done with anybody else Apple has (well had but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was renewed) a patent cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft so this co…

Remember that MS makes money off Android phones. Purportedly. I engaged in a debate on here before which involved trying to find the supposedly enormous sums of money that Microsoft makes from Android in their quarterly financial statements. At best it has to amount to what would be chump change to a company like Microsoft. Instead we hear about supposed agreements where vendors who all happen to also be Windows Phon…

I think this is where the message gets mixed. It's not about how much Microsoft makes, its that apparently Microsoft makes more from Android than Windows phone[1].

[1] http://www.infoworld.com/t/android/microsoft-makes-more-andr...

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by RachelF »

leaffig wrote: post #74

I called this on Friday after looking at the stock market. Too bad I didn't bet too much money on it, but I still made a bunch :) http://stocktwits.com/bluercloud/message/15522482 http://stocktwits.com/bluercloud/message/15522546 By the way, this looks like an acquihire for Elop being the next MSFT CEO.

I wonder who knew?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by hippee-lee »

corresation wrote: post #136
hippee-lee wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not talk about this in terms of war and battle? It is the business of selling consumer electronics, same as it has always been. You do explain your position well but I feel the references to war and battle water it down. No one has been killed in the development of phones. I get that the MBA crowd read the art of war and it's practical knowledge seeped into popular discussion. But the endless reference to war…

Whatever your personal hangups are, words such as "battle" (an extended contest, struggle, or controversy) and "war" (a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end) are entirely and absolutely appropriate for such discussions. Your comment borders on bizarre.

No personal hang ups. Just expressing an opinion on the use of words that I think are overused and therefore watered down in today's environment. You clearly have a different take on it. No need to belittle me for my opinion.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by macspoofing »

benihana wrote: post #106
macspoofing wrote: post #73

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They've been trying to ape Apple in consumer electronics for the last ten years. For some reason, they figure since Apple was making a butt-load manufacturing and selling their own Phones and Tablets, they should do that too. Meanwhile, Google follows the Microsoft OEM strategy and Android takes 80% of the market.

Google doesn't make the money on Android that Microsoft made on Windows though.

The business model is slightly different but what doesn't change is that there is a lot of value in controlling the dominant platform.
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