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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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post #98

Two turkeys don't make an eagle

But it does feed a family of ten... keeping useless jokes aside; Despite loving my Lumia Windows phone, I am not too thrilled about this acquisition either. I just hope Microsoft's internal politics doesn't ruin Nokia's future!

> I just hope Microsoft's internal politics doesn't ruin Nokia's future!

How bright do you think Nokia's future was prior to this?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#112
MS paid less for Nokia handset business than for Skype.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Goodbye to the Nokia brand, soon only to be mentioned in rose-tinted lookbacks. Mobile phones, built like a brick, running for days.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#113

There was some credible speculation back then that Google bought up Mototorola because its CEO threatened patent warfare with other Android manufacturers, something Google really did not want happening. Along similar lines, I speculate that Microsoft snapped up Nokia because they threatened starting an Android line of phones. I think there's a significant business lesson in here somewhere... Something along the lines…

I speculate that Microsoft snapped up Nokia because they threatened starting an Android line of phones.

Remember that MS makes money off Android phones.

MS also gets a nice patent bonus along [..] Apple admitted defeat in its patent fight with Nokia, something it hasn't done with anybody else

Apple has (well had but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was renewed) a patent cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft so this could be a win for Apple as well.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some reports are incorrectly stating that Microsoft is buying the patents, while Microsoft's own press release clearly states that they are only licensing them for a term of 10 years. This is almost certainly to satisfy regulators who will have final say over whether this transaction will close.

Somehow I expect that MS will still have a strong say in how those patents are going to be used. This already happened with attack on VP8 even without any acquisition. MS hand behind it was not even very hidden. It will only get worse now.

The simple logistics of the deal make it very likely that the remaining Nokia shell company will become a patent aggressor. The only reason companies like Samsung and Motorola aren't firing off patent attacks daily is that their own substantial businesses fall risk to the same sorts of attack, leading to a sort of detente. By unloading the hardware business, the entity that remains will have all of the benefits of being a patent aggressor, with none of the liabilities.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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post #49

It was expected all along since Elop ditched Meego which was key to Nokia's success. It won't help Microsoft though, but expect a lot of damage from this. Nokia already attacked VP8 codec with their patents. Now Microsoft will use all Nokia's patents to bring patent trolling to new heights.

Not sure how not ready, not shipping on devices, no app support makes it "key to success". With that argument sticking to System 40 and System 60 would have made more sense.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#118
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow I expect that MS will still have a strong say in how those patents are going to be used. This already happened with attack on VP8 even without any acquisition. MS hand behind it was not even very hidden. It will only get worse now.

The simple logistics of the deal make it very likely that the remaining Nokia shell company will become a patent aggressor. The only reason companies like Samsung and Motorola aren't firing off patent attacks daily is that their own substantial businesses fall risk to the same sorts of attack, leading to a sort of detente. By unloading the hardware business, the entity that remains will have all of the benefits of be…

And, naturally the one pulling the strings will be MS.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#119
The combined company makes a lot of sense and will be well-positioned to compete in mobile, blah blah.

I'm sad, because Nokia stood for something: something I generally liked even though I didn't own one. As did Microsoft: something I disliked mildly, but that needed to exist.

Now those two brands can't stand for two separate things any more. The combined company will stand for maximizing shareholder value through leveraging synergies, or something.

Meanwhile, the iPhone has lost most of its personality, and Ubuntu phone isn't shipping (and it'll be a watery product anyway).

Can someone please start a smartphone company to make a phone I care about?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#120

Wow. Some call Tomi. For copious, copious background on the MS/Nokia debacle, 'burning platform' to present: communities-dominate.blogs.com (Not affiliated, just an avid fan of this mobile industry analyst-become-blogger who does his own stats. Some of the charts are chilling.)

Tried to read a recent post there, but stopped after the statement “Nikon just recently said it plans to launch its own smartphones”.

That looked like big news, so I looked it up. Turned out, Nikon's president said something along the lines of “We want to create a product that will change the concept of cameras. It could be a non-camera consumer product” early July—that is the most reliable citation on the matter I could find.

So it was author's speculation, which he presented as fact on his blog. Maybe there is some useful information there, but the hassle of verifying each statement wasn't worth it for me.

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