I'm not sure what responsive framework you're using, but the layout doesn't look good and the logo is messed up on mobile browsers.
Mailpile: Let’s take email back
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Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Point blank - I'm tired of people abusing crowdfunding as some sort of money grab (Spike Lee's recent Kickstarter as an example) and because I'm involved in the industry, I have a vested interest in seeing crowdfunding, as an industry, prosper. These guys probably have a great product, and are probably great people, and for that reason alone, I feel bad that my comment leads the thread. However, I never said anything…
I can see where you're coming from and I think that your argument would be stronger if you took your own feelings out of it. For example, you say that you find it insulting that they'd ask you to pay for their salary. Well, why should it matter to anyone else that you feel insulted? If that's your reaction then they're probably not talking to you. Besides that - why should anyone care about whether you feel insulted?…
You make some great points, and I can't say that any of them are off-base. My comment is obviously filtered by my experiences in the industry, which might be unfair to the founders in question.
However, my comment seems to have resonated with many others, so could be offered as advice for ways to improve the campaign.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's fantastic. I didn't see any information about this on your page so you might want to make this clearer (I assure you I read it first before commenting, then went back and saw the Fork on Github ribbon, the only indication). By subscription I mean that I am happy to support an open source project with regular funding. Initial funds from Indiegogo are not sufficient to maintain a long-term service and we'd be he…
there's a big red line across the top right corner pointing to github (and licencing info there). there's another link to github near the end. apologies for a previous post that used strong language, but you really can't have looked very hard. (you know, i just read chapter 2 of 'how to win friends and influence people' which tells me that criticising people never works because they simply work harder to justify them…
The problem might be you: are you trying to convince random unknown people on the Internet to change their minds? Absent knowledge of their true motivations, beliefs or biases? Don't bother with "nicely" but don't be critical either; just be factual - people always hear what they want to hear, and that's not actually your problem.
It is an order of magnitude more efficient to simply move on to the next person, because there are always more people.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#154I'm in the crowdfunding business, so I feel strange saying this, but I'm really turned off by this model of 'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated,' especially when asking for a sum as large as is $100,000. What happened to building something and selling it? According to the campaign page, the need is so great because: "We're asking for a lot of money, so of course you…
'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated'
The closest model I'm familiar with to what they're doing is the FreeBSD Foundation, so this is more classic "pay us for OSS" than anything else. So I don't think this is a startup proposal. Unusual for HN I know, but given the plan I doubt they're tracking pirate metrics or blabbering about pivots.
Which is sort of a pity because actually my problem isn't email (there is plenty of webmail I can deploy privately), my problem is group calendaring with multiple share/sync options (for which only Google Apps meets my requirements).
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is something we have debated extensively. Our main goal is to improve privacy and security on-line - giving cloud providers yet another free tool with which to build proprietary services and lock in more users and their data feels like it would be counterproductive. However, we are open to discussing, and if a significant fraction of our backers would prefer a more liberal license we will probably switch.
Please stay AGPL. It's the right choice for these times. BTW, beware of code ownership of pull requests from corporations.
Regarding Pull Requests, this is quite important if and when you want to change licenses, or dual license.
Make sure you have on file release forms for every copyright holder who submits code that grant you permission to relicense later on. For one line bug fixes it can be a pain, but it's worth it.
One problem with this though is that it places an unfair advantage with the current maintainer. A fork of the project wouldn't inherit the relicensing permissions from all the contributors.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#156I'm in the crowdfunding business, so I feel strange saying this, but I'm really turned off by this model of 'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated,' especially when asking for a sum as large as is $100,000. What happened to building something and selling it? According to the campaign page, the need is so great because: "We're asking for a lot of money, so of course you…
I hear what you're saying, and I was initially tempted to feel the same way, until I caught myself. I think your take on this is a function of our indoctrination into a particular form of capitalist mindset. We don't reward what's of value to society. We reward what can be sold. It's skewed. In addition, there is this idea that we should be cogs in the machine as kind of a de facto life goal. Get an education and go…
You could be right, but I also wonder if option A, B, or C are great filters for weeding out those that are not ready/determined?
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#157Two things: 1. IMO sup ( http://supmua.org/ ) is more mature and does about the same. However it's interface is a curses based one which is a plus and a minus. 2. Why not use an existing search products (like xapian)?
One of the reasons I started lumail (http://lumail.org/) was because none of the existing console clients worked for me. Specifically sup will die importing my 2013-1994 = 19 year mail archive.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#158This is exactly what I've been looking for! It seems the product is aimed at technical users (at least initially), though there are some technical details I didn't see in the video, description or FAQ: - This is an MUA, correct? Based on the features on the project page, it sounds like MailPile will not act as an MTA or MDA, and is predominantly interfacing with mbox/maildir. I see features for IMAP and POP3 on the r…
> The server-side code for MailPile must have access to my secret key, correct?
Dealbreaker right there.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#159This is exactly what I've been looking for! It seems the product is aimed at technical users (at least initially), though there are some technical details I didn't see in the video, description or FAQ: - This is an MUA, correct? Based on the features on the project page, it sounds like MailPile will not act as an MTA or MDA, and is predominantly interfacing with mbox/maildir. I see features for IMAP and POP3 on the r…
Thanks! The idea is you run Mailpile on a machine you control (it is an MUA), either your laptop (and connect to localhost) or a home server like a plug computer or something like that - basically somewhere where you feel comfortable storing your secret keys. And yes, API access to mail is something we already support, every "command" can return either HTML, plain text or JSON. Probably XML to come as well. We'll hav…
Am I right in saying that this is something accessed in a browser? What's the backend?
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#160I'm in the crowdfunding business, so I feel strange saying this, but I'm really turned off by this model of 'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated,' especially when asking for a sum as large as is $100,000. What happened to building something and selling it? According to the campaign page, the need is so great because: "We're asking for a lot of money, so of course you…
'pay us in advance for developing a product
that hasn't been market tested or validated,'