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Mailpile: Let’s take email back
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Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi there. I'm the UI/UX designer on the Mailpile team. Making every aspect of MP easy for non-techies is my primary concern. We aim to be easier than Wordpress with our Alpha release in Jan 2014. Please give me any feedback concerns with out to achieve this goal :)
Feedback: IMAP and POP3 would let everyone continue to use the native apps that they know and love for their UX. The web sucks for apps. It just does. Making robust dedicated native apps for each major platform would be a real differentiator.
Thanks for your feedback! We definitely would like to build native (mobile) apps for Mailpile- small (and important) steps, first though :)
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have actually been working on Mailpile "altruistically" for a while, but sorely missed the ability to dedicate myself to it full time. Thus the fundraiser.
Totally get it, but why not share some of the risk with your supporters and meet them halfway? Asking for a full (decent) salary for two people for a year places all of the risk on your supporters and makes you look uninspired. Edit: I can't reply to child, so I'll do it here. It has nothing to do with a free ride. I don't want the product because the solution isn't right for me, but I would much prefer to pay a mont…
I'm confused as to what you imagine "meet them halfway" actually entails.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, I don't think they are looking to build a business out of this? From the web site: "This is the Mailpile business model. As long as members of our community are willing to fund development (we will ask you to renew your membership in a years' time), we will dedicate ourselves to Mailpile and build the secure web-mail client you want."
This and the parent combined are the interesting bit. So this is exactly the Richard Stallman model of software. Pay people to develop it, don't charge anything for the software and give away the source. There is no economic incentive for the donors (they might get a mail program, might not, but they will never get their money back or a return on that money.) I suppose rms originally imagined that someone like the ma…
I don't see why would this be the "Stallman model of software", and not any of the other business models that don't involve selling users proprietary software or closed computers. In fact, rms himself has sold copies of Emacs in the past.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#115I'm in the crowdfunding business, so I feel strange saying this, but I'm really turned off by this model of 'pay us in advance for developing a product that hasn't been market tested or validated,' especially when asking for a sum as large as is $100,000. What happened to building something and selling it? According to the campaign page, the need is so great because: "We're asking for a lot of money, so of course you…
There is a thorny issue with kickstarting open-source projects like this. Suppose a third-party developer can make a major contribution to the project, to solve a nasty bug or add a technically challenging feature. How does that developer get paid? How is their contribution valued?
Mozilla is probably the best example of paid developers plus open source contributors.
I've spoken to someone who worked there, and they agreed it was hard to keep the balance - if you start hiring all open-source contributors, then the remaining coders out in the open will get de-motivated, since they weren't offered a job.
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Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally get it, but why not share some of the risk with your supporters and meet them halfway? Asking for a full (decent) salary for two people for a year places all of the risk on your supporters and makes you look uninspired. Edit: I can't reply to child, so I'll do it here. It has nothing to do with a free ride. I don't want the product because the solution isn't right for me, but I would much prefer to pay a mont…
I could not disagree less. Asking him to "meet supporters half way" makes it sound like you want a free ride. No offense. These are adult guys, who need to support themselves and possibly a family. The software is already open source. And you want them to take even more risk although the Mailpile author has given a lot of his time to the community already? You seriously think everybody would be better off if he risks…
> I could not disagree less.
I think you mean, "I could not disagree more." What you wrote means you agree perfectly. It says that if you take the amount of disagreement between you and your parent, there could not be less disagreement, i.e. there is zero disagreement.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#118We all need to back this project to get rid of the monopoly of Google.
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's fantastic. I didn't see any information about this on your page so you might want to make this clearer (I assure you I read it first before commenting, then went back and saw the Fork on Github ribbon, the only indication). By subscription I mean that I am happy to support an open source project with regular funding. Initial funds from Indiegogo are not sufficient to maintain a long-term service and we'd be he…
there's a big red line across the top right corner pointing to github (and licencing info there). there's another link to github near the end. apologies for a previous post that used strong language, but you really can't have looked very hard. (you know, i just read chapter 2 of 'how to win friends and influence people' which tells me that criticising people never works because they simply work harder to justify them…
I also missed the fact that it was open source, and was about to post a comment about it, when I found this thread. "Open Source" or "Open" should be one of the big features in bold. I'd also like to know more about privacy and security features - for example, is PGP built in?
Re: Mailpile: Let’s take email back
#120Very timely. Might be a viable alternative to NSA's Gmail.
The tech lead is from the Empire though - an ex-Googler - not exactly a privacy caring company :) Maybe that's why he left :)