Honest, maybe naive question, but what types of programmers actively help build and maintain systems like this? I turned down a job for a company that is less than a mile from my house because I viewed their business as immoral. Hard for me to fathom anyone taking a job, helping to build systems like this. I get that many of the components of a system like this could be seen as harmless. However, a system of this com…
XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stallman never was a conspiracy crackpot, he always was a visionary. The only thing that changed is some people's judgment of him.
You can be completely correct and still be a crackpot. What we need is strict limitations on what can and should be collected, and how it's used, plus better methods of securing what's being exchanged. For example, sending email as plain-text, leaving it on the server as plain-text, maybe that's a bad idea. The NSA isn't necessarily the only reason you'd do this. Foreign governments are going to take an interest in t…
Not really. At that point, you are just using the term as an ad hominem in a childish attempt to ward off cognitive dissonance.
You don't win an argument by calling the other guy a weirdo.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would Google (or anyone) link to them directly? with fiber no less! this stuff is alarming enough no need for FUD. This XKS business seems about intercepting non-encrypted traffic as the references to HTTP payload quoted in the article would suggest.
> Why would Google (or anyone) link to them directly? with fiber no less! this stuff is alarming enough no need for FUD. Who says Google has a choice or is even complicit? The backbone providers have mostly stayed mum and it's known that the likes of AT&T split their fiber for the NSA. If we're willing to go to the bottom of the ocean to tap fiber lines it's pretty easy to believe that we'd tap terrestrial lines too.
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#254Is this information the NSA could've attained left to their own devices, or is this sort of stuff only accessible with help from service providers, eg Facebook and Google? What I'm trying to ask is: with all the hullabaloo Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc have made about individual, manual reviews of information requests, are we still being lied to? I suspect that we obviously haven't been told the whole story…
If you can tap large Internet connections then you can siphon off all HTTP and SMTP traffic and from there it's trivial to reconstruct sessions and from there get application level stuff. I was doing similar things in the mid-1990s on shared Ethernet. It's really only a question of speed and scale and then of writing code that recognizes particular traffic (such as "this HTTP connection is a Facebook chat session").
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#255Imagine if storage limitations weren't holding back the NSA. Those 60TB density HAMR[1] drives that are due in 2016 are really going to take invasive to a whole new level. [1] http://storageeffect.media.seagate.com/files/2012/03/perpham...
Who said that they were using spinning storage? You can store an insane amount of data for your dollar if you are willing t use tape.
[1] http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/tape/ts3500/index.html
[2] http://www.quantum.com/products/tapelibraries/scalari6000/in...
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#256Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
#257Just a friendly reminder that if you looked at the slides, you have read a classified document, and therefore are guilty of a Federal felony. Cheers!
And the NSA is passing your details on to the FBI riiiight about now. Enjoy your federally-funded vacation!
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#258Just like suspected. If you use encryption like PGP, you become person of interest.
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#259Honest, maybe naive question, but what types of programmers actively help build and maintain systems like this? I turned down a job for a company that is less than a mile from my house because I viewed their business as immoral. Hard for me to fathom anyone taking a job, helping to build systems like this. I get that many of the components of a system like this could be seen as harmless. However, a system of this com…
I'd also imagine that a lot of folks only work on one small part of this, that in and of itself, is not objectionable. Where it becomes scary is when you expand the scope to cover every US citizen regardless of wrongdoing.
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#260This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. I can see how they get HTTP information, since they would intercept at transit hubs - but how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? I was also looking for another unique ID that users ar…
>This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. It has become a bit of a pet peeve of mine recently to see self-aggrandizing comments from users around the net about how "we should have known" and "none of this is new." I'm a practically addicted news j…
Second: realizing that "we should have known" and "none of this is new" isn't so much about reading news articles and being "plugged in", but rather having an understanding of how the Internet works. To oversimplify greatly, you're essentially playing a very precise game of telephone between around 10-20 different people, and usually about 1-3 different publicly-owned corporations. To be surprised at the possibility of storing packets is somewhat naive considering how simple it is to do.