Hard for me to fathom anyone taking a job, helping to build systems like this. I get that many of the components of a system like this could be seen as harmless. However, a system of this complexity must have some talented engineers bringing it all together and making it work. How can they feel good about what they are doing?
XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
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#142Holy shit... Apparently, the only way to ensure privacy is to go Stallman . Funny how yesterday's "conspiracy crackpot" became today's visionary.
Stallman never was a conspiracy crackpot, he always was a visionary. The only thing that changed is some people's judgment of him.
What we need is strict limitations on what can and should be collected, and how it's used, plus better methods of securing what's being exchanged. For example, sending email as plain-text, leaving it on the server as plain-text, maybe that's a bad idea.
The NSA isn't necessarily the only reason you'd do this. Foreign governments are going to take an interest in this, too, and it's only a matter of time before someone gets access the data the NSA is hoarding. No program of this scale is ever 100% secure.
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#143Lurkers first post here. I always said saying "I told you so." when stuff like this started getting revealed would feel like a hollow phrase. Some of us have spent quite a bit of time talking about these issues, and were mostly rejected as crackpot "conspiracy theorists". While there are plenty of those around, maybe I could use this slight moment of pseudo-clarity to propose something. I could tell you where this is…
Happened also because some of the geeks rented themselves out to the NSA.
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#144I am going to be obliterated for this comment! Does the fact they've caught 300 terrorists in anyway justify what they're doing? I am not saying it does, I just wondered what people's thoughts were (although I can guess!). It's interesting that it was included in the article in an attempt to give it some 'balance'..
And More says: “You’d break the law to punish the devil, wouldn’t you?”
The prosecutor says: “break it? I’d cut down every law in England if that would take it to catch him”.
“Yes you would, wouldn’t you?” And then “When you would have cornered the devil and the devil would turn around to meet you, where would you run for protection, all the laws of England having been cut down and flattened? Who would protect you then?”
Every time you violate – or propose the violate – the right to free speech of someone else, you in potentia you’re making a rod for your own back. Because (…), to who do you reward the right to decide which speech is harmful, or who is the harmful speaker? Or to determine in advance what are the harmful consequences going to be, that we know enough about in advance to prevent? To whom would you give this job? To whom you’re going to award the task of being the censor?
http://howtoplayalone.wordpress.com/hitchens-on-free-speech/
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#145From the slides http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa... "Show me all the VPN startups in country X, and give me the data so I can decrypt and discover the users" Does this mean using VPN is not very safe from dragnet?
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#146You have to admit these guys are working on some cool problems. If you don't have a problem with the legality of it or potential for misuse it looks like a really interesting place to work.
That's exactly how they get people to work on it in the first place. If you have no conscience there are lots of places where you can work on 'cool problems'.
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#147Holy shit.. they did really write a GUI in Visual Basic to track the killer's IP
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#148I am going to be obliterated for this comment! Does the fact they've caught 300 terrorists in anyway justify what they're doing? I am not saying it does, I just wondered what people's thoughts were (although I can guess!). It's interesting that it was included in the article in an attempt to give it some 'balance'..
A huge problem with the NSA's activities is that they are, or at least have been, so secret that it is impossible to even discuss in a meaningful way the political question you posed. This should be unacceptable even to those who think catching the 300 terrorists made the surveillance ok.
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#149This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. I can see how they get HTTP information, since they would intercept at transit hubs - but how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? I was also looking for another unique ID that users ar…
> edit: Gmail messages must only be captured when they leave the Google network. It seems easier for the NSA to tap datacenter datacenter fiber links inside Google's network. Why worry about decryption when you can have Google's frontend servers do it for you?
This XKS business seems about intercepting non-encrypted traffic as the references to HTTP payload quoted in the article would suggest.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does browsing the web via e-mails and cron jobs make for more privacy?
No javascript tracking. Very strange behaviour (therefore, less behaviour tracking). That's what I can think of.