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Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by gotrythis »

rapind wrote: post #144
homeomorphic wrote: post #71

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I don't know… suppose some highly advanced aliens with for the most part benign intent found us. Would you really like them to "stay the fuck away"? I, for one, would love for our technology to leapfrog ahead centuries, even though it would completely change our culture. The disease part can be handled today. We could go visit them in hazmat suits. And I know I'm being really generous when I'm comparing the modern wo…

Considering they have no marketable skills or education, how could their situation get any better? There are tons of poor people in the world who die from easily preventable diseases that you could help instead if that's your true motivation. They are a self-sufficient people that don't seem to be screwing up the world nearly as much as we are... why would we even assume we're superior? Maybe we're just jealous?

Exactly!!!! They are superior in that they are sustainable, and it's so horrible that people want to convert them into us. Let's build them a Walmart while we're at it.

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Post by [deleted] »

edvinbesic wrote: post #157
aaron695 wrote: post #142

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This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

I think your comment is what's "wrong" with the world. You are applying your western values onto a completely foreign culture. Modern medicine? I'm sure after having survived for that long, they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. You want to give them jeans and t-shirts too? Maybe the gift of starbucks? It's the opposite of a zoo that the op is talking about.

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Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by kaybe »

ars wrote: post #41
kaybe wrote: post #36

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But then, some of the plants in the jungle seem to be amazing. I read some books about expeditions to find them for western medicine. One talked about a black paste you put on a tooth and it will simply fall out, no pain and no problem. A plant that makes women infertile for 7 years (they give it to their teenagers, apparently). Also, great plants against many sorts of other problems like abscesses. Sadly, the result…

None of those plants sound real. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I agree. The claim should still be checked, IMHO. You didn't reach my bubble yet..

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by ctdonath »

yread wrote: post #93

> They've never invented oars, without which they cannot leave the island. Hmm so how did they get there ?

Actually looking at a map, the island is a mere 20km from a much larger island, which in turn is a few hundred km from mainland. The larger island is situated such that anything floating out to sea from the mainland has a 25% chance of hitting the larger island. From there, someone would find their way to the smaller island.

Quite possible that some people floated out to North Sentinel Island in a confluence of events. Once there, if you don't have oars odds are you're not coming back if you leave (floating or swimming).

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by gokhan »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

You live in a dream world, my friend.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/what-happen...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024011/Uncontacted-...

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Post by snowfox »

monsterix wrote: post #62
chrischen wrote: post #54

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That is what they are doing. In fact, the article (or Wikipedia), says India has already made it illegal/discouraged to go near the island.

Yes and those islands are also protected by the Indian Navy quite diligently. It's important to prevent curious assholes from touching the island for two reasons: 1. These tribes have not developed medical immunity against the kind of diseases we're host to. 2. They're truly wild and curious like us too. Protecting the former quality needs a restraint from our side. I've been to Andaman & Nicobar in 2004 and did feel…

I hope they didn't give them genetically modified coconuts.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by Ygg2 »

ekianjo wrote: post #125
Ygg2 wrote: post #111

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What?! It's all about inequality. The problem isn't everyone is getting richer it's that some are getting waaaay richer than other, they are grabbing the powers, making decisions and isolating themselves from the consequences of those decisions. You can drain a lake for thing X until your lake runs dry. Who is least susceptible to change? Those with money . Either they move or they buy water). The high Gini coefficie…

Not much social unrest in the past 50 years in all developed countries where inequalities have been growing when everyone gets richer. And wealth is not a Lake. It does not run dry. You can create wealth. If wealth could not be created we would be super poor by now with 7 billion people on the planet compared to 100 years ago. But it's the exact opposite, we are hundred time richer than 100 years ago. When everyone e…

Not much unrest? That claim seems dubious. What are your standards for not much unrest?

I never said it is a like a lake. I meant an actual lake. Lake was example how inequalities lead to richest people making policies that don't impact them. That is the biggest threat income inequality may present to any society.

Money is like gravity/mass. The more money you have the more money you attract. You may create wealth, but if you don't distribute it, some points may gather too much like their matter counterparts, turn into a black holes and consume the reality around them. It's like that man that asked Ford "If you don't give money to your workers, who's gonna buy your cars?"

> Countries with growing economies tend to be more stable and peaceful Revolutions occur when people get poorer and lose hope for a better future.

Wait, what about Brazil and Turkey? Aren't they growing economies? Why are their in state of unrest?

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Post by martswite »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

It's almost like you didn't read the words the parent wrote, he never advocated sailing on over and starting tours...

These people want to be left alone and should be left alone. They've survived for 65000 years on a tiny island in the middle of the ocean. I'd say the rest of the "developed" world has something to learn from the way these people sustain themselves without, looking from the outside in, destroying a beautiful tropical island.

For 65000 years

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Post by mkessy »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

I would bet that any experts on this matter would advise the same thing: leave them alone. Why do you think there are strict laws banning travel to the island?

The people themselves have made it very clear that they want to be left alone. Your mentality is the same one that missionaries and conquistadors use to justify imperialistic domination. If they want to be left alone what gives you the right to impose your way of life?

And if you actually read the article and do some basic research you would notice that the entire reason the island didn't become a mini zoo is because the Sentinelese people themselves have resisted intervention and subsequently there are laws banning intervention.

You have such a western centric world police attitude it is pretty gross and pompous. You're basically suggesting destroying a culture we know nothing about because of some false sense of moral obligation. Rash, illogical decision making is what is wrong with this world, and that is exactly what you're advocating.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by king_jester »

precisioncoder wrote: post #146
king_jester wrote: post #132

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> It's not about inequality, it's obvious that the rich should get richer faster. That the rich get richer faster and hoard more and more wealth while others fine their wealth decreasing over time is inequality. > And it's not necessarily a problem, because even the super rich can't spend all of what they earn, and that money ends up being recycled in the economy (investment, etc..). This is the trickle down theory,…

I've heard multiple references of the world wide poverty rate dropping by half in the last 20 years, here's a summary. http://finallygoodnews.net/2013/06/20/half-way-there-world-w... and the original article http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-bill...

The article talks about reductions in extreme poverty, that is living on less than $1.25 a day. Note that doesn't really address wealth disparity, only that more people, esp. in China, are living with higher income.

However, this change doesn't make any statements about increasing equality for different economic classes nor does it talk about sustainability of a lowering extreme poverty rate. It also doesn't talk about various aspects about living just above that extreme poverty line or the challenge facing those people not living in places like China that have seen a big economic boom and are not likely to.

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