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Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by rapind »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

You do realize that there are massive amounts of people who are part of our world that are living in worse conditions than this tribe is? How about we focus on them first before we decide that our way of life is so superior just because a minority of us have regular access to modern medicine...

I'm positive you don't need to be an anthropologist to realize this.

I don't even understand the zoo reference. This is not a man made entrapment, it's their home. "Leave them alone" doesn't mean starting island tours.

This world cop attitude is incredibly egotistic. It assumes that we've found the superior way of life. Evidence points to the contrary when you consider the number of species we've played a key role in extinguishing and endangering with our super amazing society.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by alan_cx »

Anderkent wrote: post #91
alan_cx wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A. Yeah, except we never tell them the down side. We arrogantly assume our oh so clever technical ways are better. Sadly we are still not mature enough to decently make contact with such people.

You can't be serious. How many children are you willing to condemn to extremely premature death because of your noble savage illusion? Yes, our 'oh so clever technical ways' are not perfect. But they are so much better. Perhaps these people are just as happy as we are. Even so, their stillborn children are still dead. They almost certainly see more murder and rape. How can you condemn people to living like that, even…

Screw the karma on this one.......

Oh the children? Whats next, terrorists and pedophiles? Go get an education.

OK, how many kiddies in the fabulous USA live under the international levels of poverty? Around 9,000,000 ,right? 9M kids "condemned" just for living in the wrong country? And you want to interfere with proud people living their way on a island? You want to wade in and force western ideals and so on on to them?

And how dare you compare western happiness to that of a tribes people. You sound as arrogant and disgusting as we Brits must have 400 years ago. Please learn from our mistakes.

And just because your culture might well rape and murder their way to a false sense freedom, it does not mean others will or do.

How dare you so arrogantly and ignorantly judge them. People have the right to self determination, whether the West likes it or not. That is actually something I would risk my life for. That is freedom.

If the people venture out and want to be part of us, of course, we open our arms to embrace them. Mean while, leave the the hell alone.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by ctdonath »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

For all we know this island is just another North Korea

For all we know this island is a tropical paradise.

Reading further down the comments on the linked page (you did read the whole thing, right?) there's an additional encounter described which, shall we say, indicates they're quite content.

I'm all for providing guidance and assistance to the poor, and intervening when serious moral problems are systemic (abuse, wanton violence, diseases untreated, etc.). I'm also all for leaving people alone when they make it very clear they've got things under control, are content with their situation, want you to leave them alone, and there is no indication of moral problems.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by JetSetWilly »

notahacker wrote: post #134
rndmize wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tribal warfare was usually a matter of establishing boundaries. If I remember my history correctly, this was pretty clearly demonstrated in battles between Native Americans and European colonists in the 16 and 1700s. Tribal attacks were closer to raids - warriors would fight, some people would die, but damage on a lasting scale was minimal. Colonist attacks, on the other hand, were going to war in the civilized measu…

"War" is also a wildly different prospect for a society in which a person cannot be considered a man until he has ambushed and killed a random stranger from another tribe and fashioned their body parts into a trophy, to a society so accustomed to peace it requires ever-more-complex rationalizations to breach it, having invented Geneva conventions, treaties and the concept of being "humane" along the way. At the end,…

They may well have good reasons for being hostile to outsiders. Imagine 400 years ago they were friendly and approachable, but after a succession of whalers, slavers, British kidnappers and who knows what else, quickly came to the rational conclusion that outsiders are hostile and must be fought off.

It would be more accurate to say that it is not a great advertisement for our more complex social structures to yield harmony.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by rapind »

precisioncoder wrote: post #137
geuis wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Answer 1: Yes, stay the fuck away. If Race XYZ has ability to monitor us without us knowing, thus not interfering with us, sure go ahead. Its not like there's much we could to stop them. But the moment they make their existence known, we're fucked. At that moment, we aren't the world-conquering successful species we love and proclaim to be. We're the little tribe living on the little island that's quietly being prote…

Modern medicine, physics, modern housing, sanitation, plumbing, etc, etc. They have a massive amount to gain. You can romanticize their situation, or we can decide to leave them there for other reasons but claiming they have nothing to gain is just plain wrong.

I claim that they have plenty to lose. There are people in our society without access to modern medicine, no concept of physics, no chance of what you consider to be modern housing, terrible sanitation, no plumbing, etc, etc.

You can romanticize how much better their situation will be all you want, but there's plenty of evidence it won't be.

I read an article years ago on feral surfers who were basically turning indigenous peoples into diseased addicts, sex workers, and slaves. Not because they intended to, but it just happened to be convenient. I'll try and dig it up.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by lucian1900 »

alan_cx wrote: post #84
homeomorphic wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A. it is clearly what they want. We all encounter at times fellow humans who want something that clearly is based on lacking information. Of course we respect such things, but only up to a certain point. We often do try to help people see the bigger picture - sometimes we do say "I hear you say that that is what you want, but have you considered the fact that...". > B. contact with us is likely to be deadly to them…

A. Yeah, except we never tell them the down side. We arrogantly assume our oh so clever technical ways are better. Sadly we are still not mature enough to decently make contact with such people.

They are better, objectively.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by edvinbesic »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

I think your comment is what's "wrong" with the world. You are applying your western values onto a completely foreign culture. Modern medicine? I'm sure after having survived for that long, they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. You want to give them jeans and t-shirts too? Maybe the gift of starbucks?

It's the opposite of a zoo that the op is talking about.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by iskander »

>last 65,000 years...62,000 years before the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids at Giza.

A very minor nitpick, but the Giza pyramids were built around 2500BC, not 1000BC.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by BasDirks »

aaron695 wrote: post #142
geuis wrote: post #45

I'm pretty late to leaving a comment, so it won't get a lot of exposure. Let's just leave these people the fuck alone. What threat are they under? Curious assholes like us. There are probably less than 1000 people on that island, all descended from people tens of thousands of years ago. There are more people than that that visit an Apple store on a Tuesday before 2pm. Leave them alone. We don't need to assuage our 10…

This sort of comment is exactly what is wrong what the world. What is your expertise in this area? Are you a anthropologist?? I suspect you are just one of these sick people who like the idea mini zoos with humans in them. These are human beings. They deserve access to modern medicines like the rest of us of the world even if you lose this precious zoo. How are their women treated? That is the ones who don't die in c…

You just want them to be part of (y)our own zoo.

Re: The Forbidden Island

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Post by andyking »

aet wrote: post #136

If you find this interesting, you may also like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha

The difference being, people can and do go to Tristan da Cunha. I know someone who's been there. They have telephones, internet access, satellite TV and a radio station.
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