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Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by marknutter »

retrogradeorbit wrote: post #51
marknutter wrote: post #2

Can any musicians in the know about music software comment on how this compares to say, Ableton Live?

I've used a lot of DAWs. Namely Logic, Sonar, Nuendo, Protools, Reason, Ableton, FLStudio and Reaper. And my conclusion is that Reaper is by far the best. Your opinion may be different, but give it a try. It has a free trial period and the full version is very cost effective. Add in the SWS extensions and the scripting support (I'm using python) and it becomes very powerful. Put the House of White Tie skin on it, add…

Could you elaborate a bit on what you can do with scripting in Reaper? That sounds very interesting.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by kreek »

munificent wrote: post #71
cpenner461 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed - I've been considering getting a DAW to hobby shop with, and have been on the fence between Logic, Ableton Live and Reason. My (perhaps naive) impression is that Logic seems to be more geared towards recording live music, while Ableton and Reason seem to be more geared towards creating music in the program. They can all do both (recording live and create), but that's just my impression watching their demo vid…

I spent a lot of time as a hobbyist using Reason. I found it super fun to play with, but I ran into two problems: 1. I almost never actually finished anything in it. That's a problem for me in general, but Reason exacerbates it. There are so many knobs to tweak, that I often ended up mired in the minutia of tweaking sounds. I found it hard to stay high level and focus on the music . 2. Compared to, say whaling on a r…

For me #2 is a feature :)

It does take a bit longer but you have more control of how things fit in the mix.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by jianshen »

stephth wrote: post #133

Exciting addition, almost missed it: Scripter Extensible plug-in that can process or generate MIDI data using standard JavaScript.

I know this is a niche feature but I think it's an important differentiator (and something that I love After Effects for).

I'm probably the only person who's excited to code up my own Arpeggiators and Rhythm pattern generators...

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by wavesounds »

minikites wrote: post #114
wavesounds wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also thinking about how cool open source albums would be! Your 'band' could now be 100 different people all spread out around the world. Then perhaps instead of an album being 'done' we'll just release v1.0.

I wonder if it would have the same issues as the "open source" collaborative cookie: http://log.scifihifi.com/post/344372246/it-may-have-been-a-f... >[Y]ou’ll probably recognize the "Dream Team" of expert bakers convened by Gundrum as his "open source" group falling into the same sorts of traps (a lack of coherent vision, a reluctance to discount any idea, an obsession with novel and exotic techniques, a mounting fru…

That's a really interesting point. IIRC in the Cathedral and The Bazaar[1] the author points out that a big part of the reason Linux was so successful is because Linus was such a master at running the project. Perhaps thats what these cookies were missing and perhaps an open source album would also need a 'Conductor' picking and choosing the best pull requests otherwise I could definitely see it resulting in lowest-common denominator blandness.

1. http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-baza...

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by wavesounds »

dfrey wrote: post #136
wavesounds wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also thinking about how cool open source albums would be! Your 'band' could now be 100 different people all spread out around the world. Then perhaps instead of an album being 'done' we'll just release v1.0.

I'm sure this has been done a number of times before, but this group is comprised of two people who have never met in person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_for_Three !

Yeah The Postal Service are another famous example: "The band's name was chosen due to the way in which it produced its songs. Tamborello wrote and performed instrumental tracks and then sent the DATs to Gibbard, who edited the song as he saw fit (adding his vocals along the way) and sent them back to Tamborello through the United States Postal Service."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postal_Service

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by wavesounds »

thirdsun wrote: post #158
wavesounds wrote: post #57

Has anyone tried using Github to manage and share a Logic Pro project? I work on music with someone 300 miles away and I'd love to have the power of git. Right now were both using different DAWs and export audio to dropbox. This release of Logic looks great and my partner is already using Logic so if I switch over and implemented git we could ideally be working off the same files all the time with version tracking, b…

I've been looking for something like that too, but the problem with this is the fact that everyone that wants to participate has to be on the same page and that includes third party plugins and instruments. Of course you can't assume that the guy you're working with has the same plugins. How could that be handled? A bounced audio track won't allow a lot of deeper editing. Midi only doesn't tell the recipient anything…

We currently work by mixing down everything and exporting the files to dropbox. And what you're describing is one of the main pain points I'd like to fix by using the same software and sharing the same project files.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by wavesounds »

ssharp wrote: post #138
jolohaga wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems Apple could in part address this by including iCloud support in Logic.

I'm surprised this hasn't been addressed yet, given: 1) How many professionals use Logic 2) How common it is for said professionals to pass tracks back and forth over email, im, Dropbox and other filesharing services Maybe advertising such as service gives artists an unwarranted assumption of privacy and security vs. using something like email where there is less expectation and more assumed risk.

Also surprised, perhaps they are issues with the content rights sharing audio/video on their servers? Thats the only thing I can think of. Getting into this market it would be a huge and important move for them to make.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by bti »

mambodog wrote: post #156

I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users. Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily…

What kind of music do you make? I've been wanting to try Ableton out but it kind of looks geared toward working with samples and MIDI. I mostly record guitars and all my instruments live with a mic. Is Ableton appropriate for recording and mixing recorded music? Would you say it is as powerful as Logic Pro 9 (my primary DAW)?

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by ThomPete »

bti wrote: post #168
mambodog wrote: post #156

I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users. Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily…

What kind of music do you make? I've been wanting to try Ableton out but it kind of looks geared toward working with samples and MIDI. I mostly record guitars and all my instruments live with a mic. Is Ableton appropriate for recording and mixing recorded music? Would you say it is as powerful as Logic Pro 9 (my primary DAW)?

A friend of mine did the music & soundfx for FarCry 1 and the latest Hitman game. He's used bot protools and logic but used Ableton for Hitman.

So yes you can do the same with ableton.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by stringbot »

bti wrote: post #168
mambodog wrote: post #156

I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users. Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily…

What kind of music do you make? I've been wanting to try Ableton out but it kind of looks geared toward working with samples and MIDI. I mostly record guitars and all my instruments live with a mic. Is Ableton appropriate for recording and mixing recorded music? Would you say it is as powerful as Logic Pro 9 (my primary DAW)?

I've recorded all kinds of music in Ableton. The main thing you have to cope with is Ableton expects you to work with a constant tempo on a grid, although it doesn't force you to in any way. It's very easy to just record straight into it like any other multitrack DAW and turn off all the grids and quantization.

I'm still a fan of Logic Pro and will most likely buy the upgrade. My workflow gravitates towards Ableton for grid-based compositions (I do a lot of electronic music) and Logic for anything where I'm recording "real" instruments like guitar and vocals, because of Logic's great comping workflow.

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