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Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by MichaelGG »

Sym3tri wrote: post #73
NamTaf wrote: post #46

For a company that just threw out skeuomorphism as a design principle, the amount of drumkit, pedal, amp and mixing deck images this thing has is surprising. The pitch correction stuff is cool - I dreamed of that sort of stuff a while ago, but never made any attempt to try to work out how it'd work. I wonder how it works with voices and the like, as opposed to string instruments.

If you want flat use Ableton Live. They've been flat since before flat was cool, and it's a much better DAW IMO.

Ableton's not just about flat/cool/design. It's about providing proper UI controls. Why waste half your screen with gigantic knobs that make input a pain? Instead, a label and a value is all you need. Why have a long selector switch if a dropdown suffices? If you want hardware, then buy a hardware controller with little displays so you can get all hands-on.

When setting up really complex sounds and devices, I can't imagine any other approach. How do you represent a device that contains, say, 10 sub-devices? Ableton makes it super clear to setup and inspect.

Unfortunately, it seems like few other companies agree with this approach and spend lots of effort drawing backgrounds and rendering knobs and switches.

I think it's a hold over from the days when to experiment with sounds, you actually did have to go plugging various cables in and playing with knobs.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by tomphoolery »

wavesounds wrote: post #57

Has anyone tried using Github to manage and share a Logic Pro project? I work on music with someone 300 miles away and I'd love to have the power of git. Right now were both using different DAWs and export audio to dropbox. This release of Logic looks great and my partner is already using Logic so if I switch over and implemented git we could ideally be working off the same files all the time with version tracking, b…

Yes. It works.

documentData is your project file. It includes the "code" needed to make your project go. This can be diffed, merged and branched with almost no effort. You will see the effects in Logic. You have to save & close Logic before doing the Git stuff, then reopen it to see your changes.

Everything else is pretty much binary WAV files. Logic is nice about creating new WAVs for every change you make, so while all the files do take up a bit of space it makes diffing a bit easier (manually, you can't `git diff` audio files).

BTW some friends and I are working on an service that does this, using Git and everything, and allowing you to use any DAW you wish: http://notepunch.com

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by mikey_p »

jolohaga wrote: post #121
wavesounds wrote: post #57

Has anyone tried using Github to manage and share a Logic Pro project? I work on music with someone 300 miles away and I'd love to have the power of git. Right now were both using different DAWs and export audio to dropbox. This release of Logic looks great and my partner is already using Logic so if I switch over and implemented git we could ideally be working off the same files all the time with version tracking, b…

It seems Apple could in part address this by including iCloud support in Logic.

As far as I can tell iCloud still has no sharing feature. I was really bummed as I'd love to be able to use that instead of Dropbox for managing Pages documents (mostly book manuscripts), but it just doesn't seem to be there yet.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by tomphoolery »

Griever wrote: post #69
wavesounds wrote: post #57

Has anyone tried using Github to manage and share a Logic Pro project? I work on music with someone 300 miles away and I'd love to have the power of git. Right now were both using different DAWs and export audio to dropbox. This release of Logic looks great and my partner is already using Logic so if I switch over and implemented git we could ideally be working off the same files all the time with version tracking, b…

I've actually been storing my Logic projects on GitHub for a while. It works pretty well for the most part, but I do run into some issues when dealing with the size of the files. Perhaps Logic X shrinks them down in size a bit in comparison to Logic 9, but I doubt it. Here's the repo if you are interested: https://github.com/jpsullivan/LogicProjects One day I'd really like to make an open source album that people cou…

Git will always freak when you have large WAV files in there. Use git-media to offload that to an external file server: https://github.com/schacon/git-media

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by akrs »

Check out Blend.io. Its a betaworks-studio product for open-source, cross-geo music collaboration. It currently supports Ableton Live and Maschine but support for other DAWs (including Logic) is coming soon.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by mambodog »

I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users.

Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily piece together their musical ideas from other people's sounds. The interface is dominated by the flashy new features such as the 'Drummer' and 'Drum Kit Designer' which effectively let you combine a limited set of preset drum sounds with a limited set of preset drumming styles. The result is a similar 'toy' feel to that of Garageband.

Professional tools for creativity afford the user the ability to manipulate, combine and repurpose them in as much depth and complexity as user can manage, so that they may seek out new forms, rather than just creating pastiche rehashes of existing ideas. It is apparent from the direction Logic has taken that it is no longer aimed at the professional market, but rather more to the 'Prosumer' category, who aspire to be 'Pro', but who still need a lot of hand-holding.

The most displeasing change I've noticed so far is that the 'bypass' button on each instrument and effect, which neatly fitted in with Logic's formerly clean and understated visual style, has now been replaced with a large glowing on/off 'light'. It is succinctly represents all of the changes across the application which discard neat and elegant design for absolute naive ease of use.

I have a feeling I'll be using Ableton more from now on.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by timdorr »

retrogradeorbit wrote: post #51
marknutter wrote: post #2

Can any musicians in the know about music software comment on how this compares to say, Ableton Live?

I've used a lot of DAWs. Namely Logic, Sonar, Nuendo, Protools, Reason, Ableton, FLStudio and Reaper. And my conclusion is that Reaper is by far the best. Your opinion may be different, but give it a try. It has a free trial period and the full version is very cost effective. Add in the SWS extensions and the scripting support (I'm using python) and it becomes very powerful. Put the House of White Tie skin on it, add…

And for those wondering about Reaper, it's from Winamp creator Justin Frankel. Dude makes some awesome software.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by thirdsun »

wavesounds wrote: post #57

Has anyone tried using Github to manage and share a Logic Pro project? I work on music with someone 300 miles away and I'd love to have the power of git. Right now were both using different DAWs and export audio to dropbox. This release of Logic looks great and my partner is already using Logic so if I switch over and implemented git we could ideally be working off the same files all the time with version tracking, b…

I've been looking for something like that too, but the problem with this is the fact that everyone that wants to participate has to be on the same page and that includes third party plugins and instruments. Of course you can't assume that the guy you're working with has the same plugins. How could that be handled?

A bounced audio track won't allow a lot of deeper editing. Midi only doesn't tell the recipient anything about the instrument you used in your original version.

Of course I'm describing the issues from a perspective of someone who tends to rather work with synthesized material than recorded audio, which doesn't apply to every artist, yet it remains a very difficult problem, a dropbox folder or simple file exchange won't make it work in my opinion.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by qq66 »

kybernetyk wrote: post #147
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For a company that just threw out skeuomorphism as a design principle No, only the iOS team did. And bets are still up to whether it was a good decision or a catastrophe for the iOS platform.

I don't know about catastrophe but it's sad that Apple put that much manpower into pleasing a small but vocal minority of bloggers. Normal users really don't prioritize the faux leather vs flat issue that much - for them features count more.

Apple is not reacting to bloggers. They are reacting to the fact that their share of their segment has gone from 90% to 25% in two years. So now they'll try anything.

Re: Logic Pro X

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Post by Sephiroth87 »

ryen wrote: post #130
Sephiroth87 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple stuff is expensive = Bad Apple stuff is cheap = Bad LOGIC!!!

Logic is one of the cheapest (if not the cheapest) of the higher end DAWs out there. Combine that with the amount of plugins and sounds it ships with at that price tag and I think its one of the best options out there.

I'm not disagreeing with that, but with people that complains Apple stuff is expensive, except when it's not and they still complain for the opposite reason...
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