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Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by rmc »

beachstartup wrote: post #43
jusben1369 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good Lord you do sound like you have a lot of issues with women btw. Edit: My fault for not explaining further: Pasted just below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6045814

this is standard anti-male shaming language. it ALWAYS shows up in gender discussions because it's a great way to instantly discredit anyone without actually using an argument. notice how there isn't any actual content in the rebuttal and how it is completely infalsifiable and indefensible. it's the equivalent of dropping the c-word in an argument against a woman. shaming language against males: * grow up, be a man,…

you must be gay (not sure why people use this one)

People use that because they think a man acting like a woman (by having sex with men, by being the receptive partner in sex, by being penetrated, etc.) is a terrible thing for a man to do. Some homophobia is a form of misogyny, hating men who act woman-like.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by papsosouid »

rmc wrote: post #49
3pt14159 wrote: post #20

The reason I don't listen to women in tech presentations: 1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). 2. I'd rather learn how to build a better emberjs app. Or learn more about thorium. 3. Unlike the vast majority of problems, there are few concrete steps to be taken to correct the imbalances that do exist. Edit: I…

1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). Many people not involved with feminist groups often think feminists think the same about everything. Which shows they know nothing about actual disagreements within feminists groups. Just look up transexual issues & feminism. That's a big source of disagreement right ther…

That doesn't mean there isn't a significant amount of mythology that is widely agreed upon in feminist circles. If you expect insane conspiracy theory nonsense like "patriarchy" to actually be supported by evidence rather than accepted on faith, then you are not welcome in feminist discourse, plain and simple.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by sp332 »

brazzy wrote: post #17
officemonkey wrote: post #11

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This reminds me of a joke. HR person comes to the boss and says "I've got two candidates for the job. Joe and Jane." The boss interrupts the HR person. "You know, I've had it with all this affirmative action and diversity crap. It's a waste of time. Let's just stop all this. I just want to interview the best qualified person." The HR person says "Ok, boss." The next day Jane shows up for the interview.

So... where's the joke?

The joke is that, even without affirmative action, the minority person (well in tech, women are a minority) is more qualified. Since it's a joke I won't analyze it except to say it's not very funny.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by sp332 »

mantas wrote: post #35
lysol wrote: post #14

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I think that says more about you than them.

How would you feel about men-focused male-in-tech conference? Not so cool, eh?

You know what would make it even worse? Having a note that said the men could bring a woman but only if they're romantically attached. There is no expectation that any women who show up are skilled or even inclined to the topic.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by sp332 »

rmc wrote: post #51
beachstartup wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is standard anti-male shaming language. it ALWAYS shows up in gender discussions because it's a great way to instantly discredit anyone without actually using an argument. notice how there isn't any actual content in the rebuttal and how it is completely infalsifiable and indefensible. it's the equivalent of dropping the c-word in an argument against a woman. shaming language against males: * grow up, be a man,…

you must be gay (not sure why people use this one) People use that because they think a man acting like a woman (by having sex with men, by being the receptive partner in sex, by being penetrated, etc.) is a terrible thing for a man to do. Some homophobia is a form of misogyny, hating men who act woman-like.

I think a more relevant interpretation would be that the man has "issues" with women, or hates women etc. and therefore only has relations with men.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by gizmo686 »

epsylon wrote: post #29
3pt14159 wrote: post #20

The reason I don't listen to women in tech presentations: 1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). 2. I'd rather learn how to build a better emberjs app. Or learn more about thorium. 3. Unlike the vast majority of problems, there are few concrete steps to be taken to correct the imbalances that do exist. Edit: I…

> 1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). Yes, because there is actually a single, unified, globally agreed upon feminist status quo who tries to silence the voices of brave dissenters...

Kind of. The feminist movement is a movement, and like all movement it has developed a continually evolving culture, in the same was the US has a different culture than Canada, and Google has a different culture than Microsoft. Seeing how pervasive a culture is almost impossible to do without comparing it to others. It is entirely possible that the feminist movement has developed a culture relatively closed to dissenting opinions.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by Zikes »

epsylon wrote: post #29
3pt14159 wrote: post #20

The reason I don't listen to women in tech presentations: 1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). 2. I'd rather learn how to build a better emberjs app. Or learn more about thorium. 3. Unlike the vast majority of problems, there are few concrete steps to be taken to correct the imbalances that do exist. Edit: I…

> 1. I'm basically not allowed to voice an opinion that isn't completely aligned with the feminist status quo (I believe in equality, fuck me right). Yes, because there is actually a single, unified, globally agreed upon feminist status quo who tries to silence the voices of brave dissenters...

There doesn't need to be a single, unified, globally agreed upon feminist status quo, because as soon as a dissenting opinion is voiced the extremist groups are the ones that speak the loudest and the rest of the feminist movement just stands back and watches.

Re: Why I won't speak at women-only events

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Post by shadowfox »

overgard wrote: post #38
arrrg wrote: post #34

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I'm just guessing, but I would say maybe completely bonkers bullshit like "feminist status quo"?!

If we accept that there's such a thing as feminism, it would make sense that it would have a current status quo. The argument would be if you agree with their definition of the status quo or not.

I think the parent is also implying that there is perhaps no particular status quo with respect to the entire feminist movement(s)
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