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I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Post by sliverstorm »

bitops wrote: post #179
sliverstorm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't claim it is my own observation. I got it from a feminist talking about how maybe the reason men are resisting women's ingress into male-dominated professions is because when women find the traditionally male workplace environment unsatisfactory, they expect the environment to change to suit them.

> they expect the environment to change to suit them. It may not be your intention, but I get the sense that you feel this is unreasonable? As a thought experiment, consider what you'd say if we were having this discussion around racism. Do you consider it unfair for black people (or any non-white racial group) to expect society to change due the discrimination they've experienced? Imagine we have an office staffed e…

Her words, not mine. Also, she was talking about greater group dynamics (e.g. nurturing & accepting vs. competitive), not casual sexist remarks.

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Post by LockeWatts »

Falling3 wrote: post #210
LockeWatts wrote: post #206

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Maybe I missed it, where did he say his name implied he had kids?

"If they did read further, the next thing they saw (as politeness declared at the time) was a little personal information, and that declared I was married with kids."

Ah, thank you!

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Post by sliverstorm »

mcguire wrote: post #175
sliverstorm wrote: post #76

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Maybe it isn't a problem that needs fixing? Maybe making work another place of constant judgement and time under the PC microscope would not be a net positive? Remember there's a difference between bare-faced misogyny and garden variety politically incorrectness.

Maybe it would be better if the women stayed home and did whatever it is that they do there? Unfortunately, the economy over the last 40 years has demonstrated that that option is sub-optimal. Or did you mean by "time under the PC microscope" and "garden variety politically incorrectness" that you are ok if other people are uncomfortable, as long as you aren't?

Unfortunately, the economy over the last 40 years has demonstrated that that option is sub-optimal.

Huh? Explain? I don't even know what you are referencing.

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Post by vehementi »

anaptdemise wrote: post #178
pessimizer wrote: post #164

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>if you start giving men maternity leave in the same way as women I agree. >Normal banter between men about women kept on the "acceptable in a sitcom" when not directed at any specific women, in my view is not sexual harassment, but clearly some people disagree with that. I definitely disagree with that at work. If you want to discuss your sexuality, comment on people's body parts, or articulate your unified theory o…

> allow women (and men) to get through it without having to constantly bite their tongues or else be seen as the problem Right. Bite my tongue and put on the kid gloves. Wouldn't want to discuss last nights episode of Game of Thrones in the break room, less be seen as a sexist jerk. People do have friends at work, and normal human interactions do take place there.

If you can't discuss last night's episode of GoT without being seen as a sexist jerk, you might be a sexist jerk. The fact you keep suggesting you have to "put on kid gloves" suggests you might be a sexist jerk.

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Post by nostrademons »

WalterSear wrote: post #93
TeMPOraL wrote: post #43

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It won't work everywhere; e.g. SSN equivalent in Poland has sex encoded as one of the digits (determined by whether it's even or odd).

If the bias is subconcious, moving to this would still have an effect.

People are remarkably good at picking up on subtle signals that correlate well with their existing biases. Instead of "It seems like a women" they'll subconsciously think "It seems like an even."

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Post by pqqqqq »

papsosouid wrote: post #163
pqqqqq wrote: post #148

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> Making faith based statements like that and acting as though they are evidence based is not productive. Cool; how about some evidence for your custody assertions? > There is no evidence to support feminist mythology surrounding their redefinition of patriarchy. Systemic sexism is widely documented. This ranges from pay gaps [1] to harsher views on overweight women vs men [2] to sexual assault [3]. I'm not sure what…

>Systemic sexism is widely documented. Oh? >This ranges from pay gaps Which are a deliberately misleading "problem" feminists like to complain about, but which don't actually exist. >harsher views on overweight women vs men Where? You mean personal preferences? Like how short men are viewed harsher than short women? That is not systemic. >to sexual assault Where the actual systemic problem is that the government deli…

I accidentally deleted a line when I was typing; I meant to write "Male rape is predominately a result of the way the United States does incarceration and needs to be discussed in that context; the parent isn't saying that male rape victims 'don't count' "

Also, you clearly didn't bother to glance over any of the data I provided. You probably should, especially about the extremely well documented gendered pay gap. Denying that such a gap exists when there are mountains of evidence to the contrary only makes you sound ignorant and chauvinistic.

I'd still like citations on the male custody and on this 'forced envelopment' business.

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Post by cenhyperion »

larrys wrote: post #111
alanctgardner2 wrote: post #67

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> Happily married and all of that but men are visual What does that even mean?

It's like saying "I just bought a car and I"m happy with it but I still like to look at other cars at the car show or in the showroom because it makes me feel good".

and more casual sexism!

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Post by dgudkov »

anon808 wrote: post #170
bitops wrote: post #57

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> Most HR departments are staffed by women for example Do you see the irony in this statement?

You do realize that HR doesn't actually hire people (except for HR roles of course), department managers make the hiring decisions. HR is there to support the process.

HR does pre-selection -- this is exactly when unwanted CVs go to the waste basket.
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