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the front section of the plane is theoretically the most dangerous part of the plane; survivors in plane crashes are most likely to come from just behind the wing.
That greatly depends on the type of crash. The added risk your talking about has a lot to do with nose down collisions.
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That's why airlines like to get pilots with military experience. They are exposed to more crazy scenarios in training and work and generally keep a cool head better under stress.
Hmmm - but: military pilots are also known (especially in some cultures) for an over-strong respect for hierarchy, resulting in a willingness to go along with dangerous instructions. Also, at least some military pilots are trained to have a higher risk acceptance than civilian pilots. Personally, I'd be very happy having an ex-military pilot flying me around; I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. But do be a…
Can you elaborate more on what how dangerous instructions would work in a civilian scenario? Where does a hierarchy come into the picture?
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That greatly depends on the type of crash. The added risk your talking about has a lot to do with nose down collisions.
I'd factor in the fact that the people density is lower up front, probably aiding you in getting off the plane faster.
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That's why airlines like to get pilots with military experience. They are exposed to more crazy scenarios in training and work and generally keep a cool head better under stress.
Hmmm - but: military pilots are also known (especially in some cultures) for an over-strong respect for hierarchy, resulting in a willingness to go along with dangerous instructions. Also, at least some military pilots are trained to have a higher risk acceptance than civilian pilots. Personally, I'd be very happy having an ex-military pilot flying me around; I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. But do be a…
ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
Is there a transcript available?
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Apparently, it is fairly normal behavior; people activate a "leave plane" program. Having only one, they pick the one involving grabbing one's luggage before getting out of the plane. (Sorry, can't find a reference. Most hits I get are either on emergency reaction/response by outside teams or on long-term emergency responses such as PTSD, community reactions, etc)
We do whatever we're used to. I fly gliders, where it's fairly common to wear parachutes in flight to guard against structural failure or mid-air collision. We're told that when we're done flying, we should always exit the glider first , then remove the parachute. Some people will unbuckle the parachute first, then step out. Some of these people have gone on to bail out in flight, and they undo their seat belts, unbu…
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Hmmm - but: military pilots are also known (especially in some cultures) for an over-strong respect for hierarchy, resulting in a willingness to go along with dangerous instructions. Also, at least some military pilots are trained to have a higher risk acceptance than civilian pilots. Personally, I'd be very happy having an ex-military pilot flying me around; I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. But do be a…
Actually Korean pilots (civilian) are also known to have too strong a respect for hierarchy. I remember seeing an episode of air crash investigating where that was officially reported as a factor, so it isn't even just the military where that can be a risk.
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Thank you. Amazing job. Was hard to understand the audio.
Yeah, I have listened in on some air traffic controller streams that are available online and it's always hard to decipher what it is they are saying. It all sounds like words slurred together with no clear demarcation. I am mostly amazed how pilots and the controllers clearly understand each speaking the way they do.
0:32-0:36 Tower: "Skywest 5452, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 right, cleared to land"
0:36-0:38 Skywest 5452 pilot: "Clear to land, 28 right, Skywest 5452"
This looks like 6 seconds of jargon containing about 25 words, but it really only contains one single bit of information that being that in the giant state machine of flowchart of flying a plane, everyone mutually agrees its your turn to click forward precisely one step. Once you look at it that way, the "conceptual bit rate" drops dramatically lower. 5452 probably expected to get 28R all along, and based on where he was probably expected to get clearance "right about then" too.
"Hey you, its me, you can land over there"
"Hey you, its me, I think heard you say I can land over there" (with the implied, if I misheard, you'd best start yelling right about now either at me or at everyone else to get out of my way)
When its just business as usual, things click along awful fast. When ATC gives out some "unpredictable" order or a pilot has a weird request, there's always a very dramatic pause due to cognitive load. I can have my scanner monitoring the local tower for fun and Very quickly you learn to tune out BAU chatter until/unless weird tempo strikes. You can also tell purely by cadence and tempo with near perfect accuracy if the pilot is a local or a noob in general or a distant traveler.
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Is there a transcript available?
I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
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Hmmm - but: military pilots are also known (especially in some cultures) for an over-strong respect for hierarchy, resulting in a willingness to go along with dangerous instructions. Also, at least some military pilots are trained to have a higher risk acceptance than civilian pilots. Personally, I'd be very happy having an ex-military pilot flying me around; I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. But do be a…
> Hmmm - but: military pilots are also known (especially in some cultures) for an over-strong respect for hierarchy, resulting in a willingness to go along with dangerous instructions. Also, at least some military pilots are trained to have a higher risk acceptance than civilian pilots. Can you elaborate more on what how dangerous instructions would work in a civilian scenario? Where does a hierarchy come into the pi…