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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_incidents_and_accide...
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The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide. Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. In a situation like that, why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? It seems like healthy, rational behavior rather than a symptom of extreme confusion.
The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide... why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? Wrong. In order to be certified airworthy, you have to be able to evacuate an airliner in 90 seconds, in the dark, with some of the emergency exits blocked. Here's an A380 doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAkAcQOnQY Here's a 777: http://www.youtube…
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Is there a transcript available?
I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
1:10 ATC: 737 Zulu Delta San Francisco Tower, remain clear of the San Francisco Fox Bravo airspace [ed: I believe Bravo refers to the SF Class B airspace, not sure what the Fox is]. Contact San Carlos Tower
1:17 737 Zulu Delta Pilot: Contacting San Carlos Tower and remaining clear.
1:22 ATC: 305 start leaving the Bravo airspace and 2 miles .. terminate ... maintain the appropriate stage ..
1:27 ATC: (inaudible) is closed San Francisco Tower (inaudible)
(inaudible command to Horizon 635 from ATC)
1:34 ATC: He's got a 214 heavy, San Francisco Tower
1:37 ATC: Asiana (inaudible)
1:42 635 Pilot: 635 going around.
143 ATC: 635 fly heading 2-6-5 maintain 3100 (ft).
1:46 635 Pilot: 265 3100 - alright 635.
Asiana (inaudible)
1:51 ATC: Asiana 214 heavy emergency vehicles are responding, we have everyone on their way
1:57 ATC: SkyWest 5452 san francisco tower go around
2:00 SkyWest 5452: Go around Skywards 5452
2:03 ATC: SkyWest 5452 fly heading 2-8-0 maintain 3000 ft.
2:07 SkyWest 5452 Pilot: 280 and 3000, SkyWest 5452.
2:10 Horizon 635 fly heading 2-6-5 maintain 3100
2:13 635 Pilot: Yes sir 265 3100, Horizon 635
2:16 ATC: Contact NORCAL reports for 135.1
2:19 635 Pilot: 35.1 - Horizon 635
2:22 SkyWest 5452 contact NORCAL reports for 135.1
2:25 5452 Pilot: 35.1
2:27 6039 Pilot: 6039 will go to San Jose
2:31 ATC: SkyWest 6039 roger. Contact NORCAL for departure
2:35 ATC: (inaudible) SkyWest 6389
2:39 ATC: rescue 33 San Francisco tower proceed to the scene cross - inaudible - the 11 San Francisco Tower proceed as requested. Cross all runways.
2:46 Rescue: San Francisco Tower 33 and rescue 11 cleared the 1.
2:50 ATC: rescue 33, rescue 11 roger.
2:54 ATC: (inaudible) Foxtrot San Francisco Tower
END.
I also listened to the ATC before descent, no talk about any failures or problems or requests for rescue before descent.
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I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
Thank you. Amazing job. Was hard to understand the audio.
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The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide. Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. In a situation like that, why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? It seems like healthy, rational behavior rather than a symptom of extreme confusion.
> Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. No one's suggesting this. You can both leave the plane in a calm manner and leave your bags behind. As far as I'm concerned, there's no good reason to take your bag unless it's actively obstructing the way out -- which, in fairness, could well be what's happened here. Off-hand, some reasons not to: the aisles have limited capacity, and more bags in the ai…
Never mind the whole issue of people grabbing their bags. That plane was rather seriously on fire and the people in the original photograph don't appear to be very concerned about moving away from it. Strange.
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I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
I did my best. 1:10 ATC: 737 Zulu Delta San Francisco Tower, remain clear of the San Francisco Fox Bravo airspace [ed: I believe Bravo refers to the SF Class B airspace, not sure what the Fox is]. Contact San Carlos Tower 1:17 737 Zulu Delta Pilot: Contacting San Carlos Tower and remaining clear. 1:22 ATC: 305 start leaving the Bravo airspace and 2 miles .. terminate ... maintain the appropriate stage .. 1:27 ATC: (i…
1:23 Tower: tells a departing helicopter to depart 2 mi straight out, turn right, squawk a certain signifier on its altimeter (standard practice), and approves a frequency change (also standard practice);
1:28 Tower: cuts out briefly and then says "..is closed, San Francisco Tower."
1:31 Tower: silence, then starts to tell a Horizon flight something and the Asiana pilot cuts in with [hard to hear, best guess]"San Francisco?" Also, Sounds to me like they put Asiana 214 on a priority channel over other flight traffic, or that the tower cut itself/other pilots off when they saw/heard Asiana 214 was speaking.
1:36 Tower: Asiana 214 Heavy, San Francisco Tower
1:37 Asiana 214: [unintelligible, but my best guess: This, uh..., how much is this, uh, where is, uh,... uh,..."]
1:42 Horizon 635: 635 is going around
1:43 Tower: Horizon 635, fly heading 265, maintain 3100
1:46 Horizon 635: 265, 3100, Horizon 635
1:49: Asiana 214 [garbled]: San Francisco?
1:52 Tower: Asiana 214 Heavy, emergency vehicles are responding; they have everyone on their way.
1:56 Asiana 214: [garbled, definitely a few words and then a static burst]
1:58 Tower: Skywest 5452, San Francisco Tower, go around.
2:00 Skywest 5452: Go around, Skywest 5452
2:30 Tower: Skywest 5452, fly heading 280, maintain 3000.
2:07 Skywest 5452: 280 at 3000, Skywest 5452
2:10 Tower: Horizon 635, fly heading 265, maintain 3100.
2:14 Horizon 635: Yessir, 265, 3100, Horizon 635.
2:17 Tower: Contract North Cal departure 135.1.
2:19 Horizon 635: 35.1, Horizon 635.
2:22 Tower: Skywest 5452, contact North Cal departure 135.1.
2:26 Skywest 5452: 35 1.
2:28 Skywest 6389: 6389 We'll go to San Jose.
2:30 Tower: Skywest 6389, Roger. And, uh, contact North Cal departure.
2:34 Skywest 6389 [garbled]: What's the... frequency for that?
2:36 Tower [garbled at start]: [garbled] point 1, Skywest 6389.
2:39 Tower [garbled at start]: Rescue three three, San Francisco Tower, proceed to the scene, cross runway; [garbled, maybe "Rescue"] eleven, San Francisco Tower, proceed as requested, cross all [garbled, "runways"?]
2:46 Rescue 11: San Francisco Tower, [garbled, maybe "Rescue 33"] and Rescue 11, cleared to one.
2:50 Tower: Rescue 33, Rescue 11, roger.
2:54 Tower: [garbled] Foxtrot, San Francisco Tower
[end transcript]
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I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
I did my best. 1:10 ATC: 737 Zulu Delta San Francisco Tower, remain clear of the San Francisco Fox Bravo airspace [ed: I believe Bravo refers to the SF Class B airspace, not sure what the Fox is]. Contact San Carlos Tower 1:17 737 Zulu Delta Pilot: Contacting San Carlos Tower and remaining clear. 1:22 ATC: 305 start leaving the Bravo airspace and 2 miles .. terminate ... maintain the appropriate stage .. 1:27 ATC: (i…
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Thank you. Amazing job. Was hard to understand the audio.
Yeah, I have listened in on some air traffic controller streams that are available online and it's always hard to decipher what it is they are saying. It all sounds like words slurred together with no clear demarcation. I am mostly amazed how pilots and the controllers clearly understand each speaking the way they do.