I would think that SFO would have a video stream of all plane landings and takeoffs. In fact, it would be dumb if ALL airports didn't have this considering how cheap it is to install. Does anyone know anything about this?
Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
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It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choic…
Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.
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I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…
I did my best. 1:10 ATC: 737 Zulu Delta San Francisco Tower, remain clear of the San Francisco Fox Bravo airspace [ed: I believe Bravo refers to the SF Class B airspace, not sure what the Fox is]. Contact San Carlos Tower 1:17 737 Zulu Delta Pilot: Contacting San Carlos Tower and remaining clear. 1:22 ATC: 305 start leaving the Bravo airspace and 2 miles .. terminate ... maintain the appropriate stage .. 1:27 ATC: (i…
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Thank you. Amazing job. Was hard to understand the audio.
Yeah, I have listened in on some air traffic controller streams that are available online and it's always hard to decipher what it is they are saying. It all sounds like words slurred together with no clear demarcation. I am mostly amazed how pilots and the controllers clearly understand each speaking the way they do.
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I know they train for it, but the coolheaded professionalism there is remarkable - tower, other planes, all of them.
ATC operators must be the most underrated people in our transportation system.
Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
#246Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choic…
Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.
Then some of them will really fight with the lock refusing to leave.
Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
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Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.
Many of the bags look like ones that would be under a seat. That's the one I would snag too--laptop and camera.
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Apparently, it is fairly normal behavior; people activate a "leave plane" program. Having only one, they pick the one involving grabbing one's luggage before getting out of the plane. (Sorry, can't find a reference. Most hits I get are either on emergency reaction/response by outside teams or on long-term emergency responses such as PTSD, community reactions, etc)
What they need is a giant sliding bar (like in old jail cells) that locks the overhead doors shut on takeoff, and won't get released until at the gate. Last time I flew on a commercial flight, I got clocked in the head by some jerk who couldn't think ahead and put 'something important' in the overhead. I think it would be fair to carry the small package under my seat (my laptop), but reaching for overhead is a joke.
I would think "while the seatbelt sign is on" would be adequate.
Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
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Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.
That would actually waste WAY WAY more time as each and every person will try to open the lock, and fail. Then some of them will really fight with the lock refusing to leave.
Mitigating against that exact misunderstanding was part of my suggestion - otherwise you could just lock them with no lights/explanation, but then you'd run into the problem you describe.