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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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They probably instructed you to take their carry ons. Otherwise, given it was a flight from Korea, they may not speak English and have no clue what they were being told to do.

It's a Korean airline, so the crew members are probably able to speak both Korean and English.

Turns out quite a few of the passengers were Chinese nationals, like about 2/3. Probably tourists. So there might have been some language issue.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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High quality close up photo from https://path.com/p/1lwrZb : https://pathakacdn-a.akamaihd.net/photos2/f36a5729-6db7-40db...

What a phenomenal photo and speed of information. People are still exiting with their bags in hand, incredible. THIS is one of those moments when you realize how social media and mobile devices have changed the world.

This is another reason events in Egypt is moving SO FAST.

Instead of printing a poster decrying Morsy regime and hanging it on a wall in the dark, you just text your friends how you think Morsy sucks. And that's how the revolution got started.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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I transcribed part of it: 0:00-0:02 - Tower: "Asiana 214, San Francisco Tower, runway 28 left, cleared to land" 0:02-0:04 - Asiana 214 pilot: "Cleared to land left, Asiana 214" 0:05-0:08 - Tower: "Skywest 5427, fly runway heading and contact (north cal?) departure" (plane took off and is making a straight-out departure, and now will contact departure control) 0:09-0:12 - Skywest 5427 pilot: "OK, going to departure, S…

I did my best. 1:10 ATC: 737 Zulu Delta San Francisco Tower, remain clear of the San Francisco Fox Bravo airspace [ed: I believe Bravo refers to the SF Class B airspace, not sure what the Fox is]. Contact San Carlos Tower 1:17 737 Zulu Delta Pilot: Contacting San Carlos Tower and remaining clear. 1:22 ATC: 305 start leaving the Bravo airspace and 2 miles .. terminate ... maintain the appropriate stage .. 1:27 ATC: (i…

Your "6039" should be "6389". It was only clearly audible the last time on the tape, the previous couple times it did sound like 6039 due to interference.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choic…

One obvious improvement, if your analysis is correct, is to apply some kind of more-sane treatment to undocumented immigrants who are undocumented due to an obviously anomalous situation, such as surviving a plane crash. If people really believe that the U.S. will treat them well if they do the right thing, they may be more inclined to do the right thing.

The US regulations already contain provisions for this. You needn't worry that the people who lost their passport in a plane crash will be treated inhumanely. They may be inconvenienced in terms of lost time, but at least they didn't die in a fire.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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""" The majority of passengers who replied to the Safety Board’s questionnaire were carrying at least one piece of carry-on luggage. Only 25 passengers (6 percent) reported having no bags with them in the cabin. Of the 419 passengers who reported that they carried on bags, 208 (nearly 50 percent) reported attempting to remove a bag during their evacuation. The primary reason that passengers stated for grabbing their…

It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choic…

Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.

""" The majority of passengers who replied to the Safety Board’s questionnaire were carrying at least one piece of carry-on luggage. Only 25 passengers (6 percent) reported having no bags with them in the cabin. Of the 419 passengers who reported that they carried on bags, 208 (nearly 50 percent) reported attempting to remove a bag during their evacuation. The primary reason that passengers stated for grabbing their…

I guess the take away is that you should keep your essentials on your person while flying. Those items list are all small enough to fit in pockets or unobtrusive bag. Having them ready sure make things go a lot smoother in an emergency situation.

I suppose the emergency info should mention that anything you absolutely can't leave needs to be kept on your person.

Of course most people will thing "aw it will never happen", but if they hear the same message every time they take off people will probably get in the habit of not leaving their wallets in their luggage.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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That's David Eun, a Samsung exec, so he was probably up front in biz class.

the front section of the plane is theoretically the most dangerous part of the plane; survivors in plane crashes are most likely to come from just behind the wing.

That greatly depends on the type of crash. The added risk your talking about has a lot to do with nose down collisions.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Ugh...my wife is deathly afraid of flying. She is in Canada now and flying back to SFO next week. I hope she doesn't hear about this.

If she does, it might be worth pointing out that there was apparently little-if-any loss of life (though we certainly don't have all the details yet...)

Apparently it was two dead, others injured.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

Amazing. Wish I understood what's happening in each exchange.

I found these comments helpful. They breakdown the exchange between the tower and the approaching planes. The first is from an air traffic controller.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1hrewx/asiana_air...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1hrewx/asiana_air...

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