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Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by georgemcbay »

freshhawk wrote: post #102
Erwin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has Microsoft done to compete with the Sony rootkit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootki...

Blatantly lying about the Skype backdoor? Does it matter than much though? They are both awful in the context we are discussing. I'll likely not buy either, although that Tom Clancy 3rd person shooter MMO looks like a lot of fun and is console only. The Steambox is an interesting alternative, it's scheduled for this year (insert valve release date joke here).

At least this is the first Steambox (will be released very late) and not the Steambox 3 (will never be released).

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by nsmartt »

dualboot wrote: post #50
ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Personally, I don't care if the Kinect is always connected if the thing isn't online at all. Also a $100 Discount doesn't have any traction with me regarding all of the bad will they created from the decades of pushing highly proprietary technologies into the market. Their terrible practices for me hit a crescendo when they made my life miserable via in-laws putting Sony rootkit audio-cd's into their PC. Nope. Not ge…

Why wouldn't it be online?

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by baddox »

mikeash wrote: post #123
baddox wrote: post #110

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It's still trust though. We trust that iFixit or some other third party would discover and publicize the secret camera. A few of us might even do it ourselves, but most of us would just trust that someone else would.

Those are all extremely different levels of trust. It's useless to treat them as equivalent.

I think the "software vs. hardware" disabling of the Kinect is very similar.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by Livven »

muyuu wrote: post #104
sergiotapia wrote: post #62

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Free games with PS+, working online in my country, and more.

In your country it really is an easy decision. On top of all that, it's clearly the superior hardware for cheaper, without the surveillance device bundled. They are in for a rude awakening.

I guess every smartphone and every tablet is a surveillance device too eh?

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by maxhowell »

ralfd wrote: post #97
CJefferson wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Microsoft ever done anything like the removal of Linux from the PS3? That is what will stop me personally from buying another Sony console.

With that logic Sony never should have allowed (like the Xbox) a second OS on the PS3, so people wouldn't bitch about the removal.

Indeed, never offer features that you don't intend to fully support. People hate change, but they hate you more if you take away something they use, especially if they feel they paid for it.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by jacalata »

egypturnash wrote: post #118
gfodor wrote: post #56

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How do I lend a game to my brother who lives on the other side of the U.S.? If you're going to make the argument that discs are "good enough" you sound a bit like people saying letters are "good enough" compared to e-mail. There are obvious advantages to digital content but it sounded like to get those advantages Microsoft decided it needed to add some "DRM-like" experiences. I'm not going to say it was the right tra…

Console gamers are used to having a physical totem of the game. When have you ever been able to easily loan a game to your brother who lives across the country? Really, if you want to do that with a digitally-purchased game, you should just both be buying a copy, for a lot less than that disc would have cost. But MS wasn't willing to say "sorry, you're obsolete" to the game stores, so they weren't saying "hey now you…

And when email didn't exist, people were used to having a physical totem of the message. When were they ever able to instantly communicate with their brother who lives across the country?

You're not really contradicting the grandparents point that If you're going to make the argument that discs are "good enough" you sound a bit like people saying letters are "good enough" compared to e-mail.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by mikelat »

baddox wrote: post #99
mikelat wrote: post #85

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This page says it's disabled by software - not by hardware. So it really depends on how much you trust the software and the people making it. The software is closed source and the people making it also happened to be the first ones to sign onto PRISM.

Well everything is about trust, right? The PS4 could have a completely hidden camera that always on, but most people trust that Sony wouldn't do that, or that if they did, someone would quickly find it.

You are correct, but the amount of trust you have in products you buy and use is your personal choice. If you think that's what they're doing then you probably shouldn't buy sony products.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by yusefnapora »

comex wrote: post #130
polshaw wrote: post #113

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Software disabling is little use when the issue only exists because of a lack of trust in the software (ie NSA co-operation).

> ie NSA co-operation This is so ridiculous it's not worth talking about. The chances of snooping due to the console being hacked are slightly higher, but where are all the people complaining that most laptops, tablets, and phones (which generally have significantly less software security) have built-in software controlled cameras and microphones? Laptops usually have indicator lights for cameras, but not microphones…

I honestly think it's an emotional reaction due to the similarity to Orwell's telescreen. There's something about your TV watching you back that gives our collective unconscious the willies.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by gosu »

polshaw wrote: post #113
alyx wrote: post #73

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Stop spreading privacy FUD. Kinect can be controlled and disabled. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy

Software disabling is little use when the issue only exists because of a lack of trust in the software (ie NSA co-operation).

The same party is already in control of the world's PCs and laptops - things everyone with an XBone will already use for many of their favorite illegal activities. What new danger does this introduce?

I also expect that if video/audio are being saved or else transmitted to Microsoft/NSA or else being dynamically analyzed using the latest wank-detection algorithms, then someone will detect this by the resource usage.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by corresation »

lizardking wrote: post #108
shock-value wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nerd outrage More like general consumer sentiment.

As of earlier today the Xbox One was the number 1 product on Amazon, two spots ahead of the PS4. I'd say that's a decent indicator of actual consumer sentiment.

Every electronics retailer in my area sold out of launch PS4s close to immediately. They still have launch Xbox Ones for sale, and indeed I got a pitch from Microsoft themselves for it today.

That doesn't say that much, as we don't know the actual numbers, but of course on Amazon the PS4 absolutely owned the charts, and the only reason they don't now is the sales "split" between a number of bundles.

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