Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One • Hacker News Board

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by revscat » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:54 PM UTC

So:

1) You still have to have the Kinect, and so long as the console is on it, too, will always be on. (And apparently even when the console is off it will still be listening for the "turn on" command. This has implications I'm not comfortable with.)

2) Independent developers will still be prohibited from participating in the Marketplace.

3) It will still be $100 more than the PS4.

I've been a 360 owner for several years now. At this time it doesn't look like I'll be getting the next generation model.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by Hansi » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:55 PM UTC

rajanikanthr wrote: post #9

JohnTHaller wrote: post #4

The quick summary: + No more needing to connect in every 24 hours to validate your game. It connects once the first time you run it. + You can now lend, share and sell disc-based games exactly as you can with PS3 and Xbox 360 discs - All other advanced sharing features have been dropped (share with 10 friends/family, virtually lend to a friend, etc) - Discs will need to be in the tray to play

they might be shocked by the responses on youtube for the PS4 sarcastic video of sharing games.. LOL..

Not surprising. I'm generally shocked that the people that comment on youtube videos are actually able to turn on a computer considering the quality of their writing.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by TimJRobinson » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:57 PM UTC

Makkhdyn wrote: post #30

JohnTHaller wrote: post #4

The quick summary: + No more needing to connect in every 24 hours to validate your game. It connects once the first time you run it. + You can now lend, share and sell disc-based games exactly as you can with PS3 and Xbox 360 discs - All other advanced sharing features have been dropped (share with 10 friends/family, virtually lend to a friend, etc) - Discs will need to be in the tray to play

I really don't understand why they aren't trying to do something in between. If you download/buy a game from xbox live you can virtually lend it and a connection is require to lend the game (and temporary disable your access to that game). If you own a physical copy you can lend it as you did before. Everyone's happy and if the new system is that good and the consumers are happy then maybe the next system could be th…

That's what they are doing. Combining New and old.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by shock-value » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:57 PM UTC

programminggeek wrote: post #25

The reason Microsoft is doing this is not what you think it is. The Xbox is a subscription business. $50/year * 46 million subscribers. Microsoft can't afford to lose those subscribers. The box, the DRM, media integration, etc. means nothing if they lose those subscribers to the Wii U or PS4. So, don't piss off your core customers. Anecdotally, a lot of my friends and family who are longtime Xbox gamers have no inten…

My thought was that they are doing this so that people will actually buy their console and subscribe to their services, giving them money in the process. Guess the reason Microsoft is doing this _is_ what I think it is.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by ikeepforgetting » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:58 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #6

Hopefully the gaming "journalism" industry will stop jerking off the PS4 after this. Any pragmatic-minded individual saw this coming after their E3 fiasco. Not doing so would have been akin to pouring money down the drain.

The only reason they backed off of it was because of the bad press it gave them in the first place.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by sergiotapia » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 9:59 PM UTC

Doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I was a 360 owner this current gen (coming off of the PS2) but I will leave Microsoft come end of year.

I don't want or need the vast majority of features they are offering. I live in Bolivia - I don't care about the NFL, can't watch Netflix or even stream Pandora. The PS4 has more features that I can use and want, is cheaper and doesn't come with bullshit DRM.

Where's the choice?

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by Stealth- » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 10:00 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #7

I'm pretty sure short-sighted consumers/gamers shot themselves in the foot on this one, big time. I would have liked to have seen if Microsoft's move would have led to cheaper per game pricing like we see on PC. I guess we'll never know. I actually respected them for making a ballsy change like this that may have brought the console gaming industry into the Steam era. Also, it now looks like you can no longer share/l…

I disagree. I think they have hit the perfect middleground. Those who want digital downloads can use them with the understanding that they cannot be traded, but like steam has always functioned. Those who prefer true, physical media can still use it just like it makes sense to.

I think this is by far the best decision they could have made. They have kept DRM out of it for those that do not want it, but have also taken a step toward the online download service that they have been striving for.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by imilligan » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 10:01 PM UTC

I'm a bit disappointed at this change - on one hand, it's nice to know that I can share my disc games if I want to. On the other hand though, this effectively means they're killing off their disk-less approach to owning/installing games. This means that instead of having all my games tied to my account on any device I own, I have to lug my games around with my everywhere I go. This also means picking my vegetative self up off the couch when I want to switch what I'm playing.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by MartinCron » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 10:01 PM UTC

meritt wrote: post #5

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out given the immense amount of damage done already by their out-of-touch policies. It's like the SimCity debacle was just somehow ignored over there. Guessing the numerous PS4 pre-orders and the telling Amazon poll finally convinced someone "Hey guys, turns out that DRM policy is killing us, can we please disable it?" An entity that only does the right thing after being pub…

An entity that only does the right thing after being publicly ousted is not an entity deserving of the public's trust or business

That feels overly cynical. It's not like they were caught doing something underhanded, they just announced policies that weren't as consumer-friendly. There was a backlash, their competition took advantage of it, and they switched to a better policy.

To me, it seems that everything worked out the way it was supposed to. Capitalism still works.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by dualboot » Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 10:01 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Personally, I don't care if the Kinect is always connected if the thing isn't online at all.

Also a $100 Discount doesn't have any traction with me regarding all of the bad will they created from the decades of pushing highly proprietary technologies into the market. Their terrible practices for me hit a crescendo when they made my life miserable via in-laws putting Sony rootkit audio-cd's into their PC.

Nope. Not getting any more of my dollars.