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Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by zalew »

dllthomas wrote: post #39
scottshea wrote: post #7

I imagine that he will keep moving until he gets asylum or some guarantees from the Chinese government.

... or is pardoned: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... Not that I am holding out a lot of hope, but the more signatures the better. It does seem like the best outcome; we need greater transparency, and whistle-blowers help with that substantially. See also: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/government_sec...

not sure how it works in the US, but my understanding of a pardon is that you have to be trialed and convicted first, you can't be pardoned in blanco.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

#52

Post by conroe64 »

smky80 wrote: post #48
quantumpotato_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you stayed there?

I have, as a young oblivious backpacker. I chuckled. As far as I remember, the room was basically a broom closet with just enough room for a single bed and the door to swing open. Downstairs was ... interesting. But I enjoyed my mansion :)

I've stayed there, too. I felt like I was living in the movie Blade Runner.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

#53

Post by Steko »

olefoo wrote: post #32
Steko wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that Anwar al-Awlaki was only guilty of 'speaking out against the government' is bananas.

Anwar-alAlaqui was a lot closer to being an Alex Jones, or Glenn Beck type of figure than being some terrorist mastermind; he was basically killed for calling for spiritual struggle against the United States Government. There's not much in the way of evidence that he was more than a loudmouth with a youtube channel. And while I wouldn't feel to broken up if Glenn Beck's RV were taken out in the parking lot of the Pre…

"There's not much in the way of evidence that he was more than a loudmouth with a youtube channel."

That he recruited and trained Abdulmutallab (underwear bomber) alone puts him several categories out of "loudmouth" status.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/world/middleeast/anwar-al-...

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

#54

Post by wtn »

zalew wrote: post #51
dllthomas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or is pardoned: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... Not that I am holding out a lot of hope, but the more signatures the better. It does seem like the best outcome; we need greater transparency, and whistle-blowers help with that substantially. See also: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/government_sec...

not sure how it works in the US, but my understanding of a pardon is that you have to be trialed and convicted first, you can't be pardoned in blanco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Pardon_of_Nixon

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by neolefty »

quantumpotato_ wrote: post #43
bane wrote: post #38

Stuck in Hong Kong? Short on money? On the run from the Triads or the Man? Come stay at the (formerly) fabulous Chung King Mansions! The only hotel you can live in 24/7, get a job and raise a family in. In balmy Kowloon! Rooms start at $30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiRF1OOuw8&list=PL12CEAFFE67...

Have you stayed there?

Stayed right next door in another "Mansion" place -- with my whole 5-person family. Had a great time. We got one of the few family-sized rooms. Big enough for two beds + a bathroom. And if one person got out of the way, the other could walk through the room. Plus, when we asked the housekeeper, she gave us a third mattress and extra towel!

Actually, the kids loved it -- the previous two nights we stayed in a Teepee on a beach. First night great. By the second night we'd had enough of the mosquitoes and rugby-playing boy scouts. By comparison, the Mansion was "Mom, Dad, there are no mosquitoes! And it's so quiet when we close the windows! And air conditioning!" They didn't want to leave the room for two days.

Had to tell the kids not to wander the building without us though.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by saraid216 »

cpleppert wrote: post #15
quackerhacker wrote: post #5

So far all of his decisions have been very well calculated. I think this is apart of his reveal, to either keep the focus on the story, or maintain some type of safety and appear to have disappeared into China's intelligence agency....the real point I think is to keep the focus on the reveal.

Booz Allen said he was an employee for less than three months. That sounds really interesting, I thought he would have worked there for longer since he claims he was planning this for a long time and the reporter said he was in contact for months. If you read what the Wash Post reporter said Snowden tried to get him to release the entire slide deck. Why couldn't he put it on the internet? It is also interesting to me…

> Booz Allen said he was an employee for less than three months. That sounds really interesting, I thought he would have worked there for longer since he claims he was planning this for a long time and the reporter said he was in contact for months.

That actually makes me wonder if he actually is Edward Snowden. I mean... who could we possibly ask to check?

> If you read what the Wash Post reporter said Snowden tried to get him to release the entire slide deck. Why couldn't he put it on the internet?

Credibility, perhaps?

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by untog »

It seems entirely sensible that after he gave the interview to The Guardian, he left his hotel and found other accommodations before his identity became public.

I would not be surprised if The Guardian are in touch with him, but are not publicly stating so until they have a good reason to.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by pyre »

zalew wrote: post #51
dllthomas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or is pardoned: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... Not that I am holding out a lot of hope, but the more signatures the better. It does seem like the best outcome; we need greater transparency, and whistle-blowers help with that substantially. See also: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/government_sec...

not sure how it works in the US, but my understanding of a pardon is that you have to be trialed and convicted first, you can't be pardoned in blanco.

You can be granted immunity.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by einhverfr »

quackerhacker wrote: post #5

So far all of his decisions have been very well calculated. I think this is apart of his reveal, to either keep the focus on the story, or maintain some type of safety and appear to have disappeared into China's intelligence agency....the real point I think is to keep the focus on the reveal.

Indeed. This is not someone I would want to be wagering my modest chess skills against. His choices have been extremely well calculated, with a clear understanding of what is being sacrificed every step of the way. He gave an interview which may have been enough for folks with sources to figure out which hotel he was staying at. Checking out and going to an undisclosed location makes perfect sense.

Additionally the choice of Hong Kong and the timing is looking more and more careful to me. The fact that there is a temporary moratorium on extraditions and it is during the Sunnylands Summit cannot be calculations that escaped him.

One thing for sure... I would not want to be working for the State Department right now.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by dllthomas »

zalew wrote: post #51
dllthomas wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or is pardoned: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... Not that I am holding out a lot of hope, but the more signatures the better. It does seem like the best outcome; we need greater transparency, and whistle-blowers help with that substantially. See also: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/government_sec...

not sure how it works in the US, but my understanding of a pardon is that you have to be trialed and convicted first, you can't be pardoned in blanco.

This is not the case in the US - the President's power to pardon is pretty broad, and has been used before conviction numerous times.
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