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Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

You're a perfect example for his point.

I thought the poster was referring to something other than "Men's Rights Advocates"; maybe implicitly trotting out the hackneyed "Tumblr SJ crazies" strawmen

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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The original Mother Jones story is here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/kyanonymous-fbi-... At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fuck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wro…

I can understand this approach to a drug baron or armed fugitive, but to a hacker? Really 'merica? Way to go killing that fly with a sledge hammer!

hackers threaten the money of old white guys. they gotta get locked up.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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"was assaulted by" was raped by FTFY. Let's not mince words here. This was not merely assault (which can describe something as mild as a punch or a shove). This was rape, committed by multiple parties, followed by degradation on camera for others to see. And, the girl was so drunk/drugged that she probably should have been seen by a doctor...instead the people around her took it as an opportunity to prey upon her.

When I was in college 20 years ago in Boulder the local feminists would get upset when people didn't say "assualt", or if they modified it with "sexual". I always maintained that assault wasn't as bad as rape or "sexual assault", but they wanted nothing of it.

That's an odd collection of feminists, though there are a variety of thoughts on how best to serve the victims of rape and how best to make it understood that rape is a crime of violence (and not merely a harmless act of overzealous sexual desire). I don't think it is common among my friend circle (who are mostly all feminists) to call rape anything other than rape.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

A few things that come to mind:

- The concept of "rape culture"

- Questions like, "what should be done about the devastating affects on the life of someone accused (but acquitted) of rape?"

- Taking into consideration the impact on the accused, questions like "should women who make blatantly false or frivolous claims of rape be held liable?"

I don't claim to know the answers to any of these bullet points, but the fact of the matter is they are hotly contested even today- thus, debated.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

A few things that come to mind: - The concept of "rape culture" - Questions like, "what should be done about the devastating affects on the life of someone accused (but acquitted) of rape?" - Taking into consideration the impact on the accused, questions like "should women who make blatantly false or frivolous claims of rape be held liable?" I don't claim to know the answers to any of these bullet points, but the fac…

I was being facetious, trying to get the parent poster to elaborate. I'm quite familiar with the discourse on rape and rape culture.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few things that come to mind: - The concept of "rape culture" - Questions like, "what should be done about the devastating affects on the life of someone accused (but acquitted) of rape?" - Taking into consideration the impact on the accused, questions like "should women who make blatantly false or frivolous claims of rape be held liable?" I don't claim to know the answers to any of these bullet points, but the fac…

I was being facetious, trying to get the parent poster to elaborate. I'm quite familiar with the discourse on rape and rape culture.

I am the parent poster.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was being facetious, trying to get the parent poster to elaborate. I'm quite familiar with the discourse on rape and rape culture.

I am the parent poster.

Haha sorry... been a busy week. I misinterpreted your intent with your original post. Should have indicated that I was being rhetorical/willfully asking the begged question I thought I saw

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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A more ethical group of prosecutors than we have (recruited, perhaps, among the sea pirates, slave traders, and drug kingpins of the world?), wouldn't make speculative statements about sentencing at all , much less to the media.

Because obviously allowing the media to make speculative statements with are completely unfounded is much better than at least tempering with fact. OK.

"Facts" don't miraculously appear out of prosecutors' asses. Prosecutors are not uninterested parties in trials, and if you really cared about the veracity of media reports you would encourage the media to do its own reporting rather than lap up press releases.
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