Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

news.ycombinator.com

21–30 of 50 posts

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#21
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I am wrong for seeking hacks or word it as such. I guess what I was asking for is clever andgood advice from a community I know from first hand experience is full of smart people, some of which I'm banking on them having children. Truth is I'm young and I've never been in this position before. I've also missed out on those first two years with no idea of the damage done. Thanks to both of you for taking the t…

The reality is that you do not have the knowledge skills and abilities to determine the developmental status of the child. Nor do you have the expertise to formulate a developmental plan should their be one. You're just a guy with a girl and a rugrat. A child is not a lawnmower engine. Children don't get damaged and repaired. They grow up, each as their own snowflake. Everyone doesn't get frustrated to the point of p…

No but social services do have the knowledge, skills and abilities and they have determined he has the mindset of a 1 year old. This is why I know he is severely behind, not just because I've decided he is severely behind.

I'm not saying he is like a lawnmower engine and I didn't mean it this way. I'm trying to find better ways on how to educate him and help him grow. This doesn't mean I'm doing so at the expense of loving him and giving him a good upbringing. In fact, it's the opposite. He isn't going to develop in the way that I'd like if he has a less than great childhood.

People do get frustrated when they see a child they love so damaged and feel powerless to do anything about it.

Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it, but a part of me feels that you have misunderstood what I meant and my intentions.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#22
post #10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a little caution: If you are not going to stay with this child for life, then please be very careful of his emotions. Loss of attachment is really really really hard on children.

I fully intend on being there for him for the rest of his life and me and his mother are deeply in love. We are hoping to get married some time next year :)

I thought that once; then she and I broke up and I haven't seen the kid since (sadly). So it goes.

I don't, honestly, think that possible outcome is something worth dewelling on; once you start feeling like a parent, the whole 'apply love' thing is entirely unavoidable.

But please do remember that "I fully intend" may at some point make contact with a reality hostile to your intentions, and at least consider the possibility you may one day need a plan Z.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#23

You should check these sub-reddits: http://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/ http://www.reddit.com/r/raisingKids There are more subject specific sub-reddits. You can find the list on the right side panel in the above links.

There's also a StackExchange[1], but I don't know how good it is.

[1]: http://parenting.stackexchange.com/

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#24
post #19

About speech: model correct words, but don't force corrections. So when he says "yewwow worrwy" you say "Yes! That's right! Yellow Lorry!" Use that sing-song voice. Some people say it's annoying and stupid, but children do react to it. (Don't have the sources to hand, sorry.) Offer him choices. Don't say "Would you like a drink?" but say "Do you want milk? Or do you want water?" to encourage him to say stuff. If he's…

> when he says "yewwow worrwy" you say "Yes! That's right! Yellow Lorry!"

Yes, I was looking through this thread for this. It's counter-intuitive, but I really believe it's best to nod and encourage any behavior that is headed in the right direction. I learned this trick from a foreign language teacher.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#25
It's a great thing that you are doing, making a positive impact on someones life is something you don't often get a chance to do. I think you'll be surprised how quickly infants do pick things up, but everyone learns at a different rate, so don't worry if he's behind in some things, there's plenty of time to catch up.

I think one of the best things you can do is talk with him, kids pick up language really easily, and it's a great way to learn. Spend time talking more as equals than as parent/child. It's sometimes a difficult balance to get, you need to have authority at times, but at other times it's better to be a friend.

Socalising with other kids is also important. So while putting in daycare may seem like you are avoiding taking care of him, it's really important for his development that he interacts with friends his own age.

Kids (and I guess anyone) can be remarkably sensitive too, so make sure he feels safe at home and has some stability. Talk about this too as sometimes kids get thoughts in their heads that would be better talked about than left for them to dwell on.

And don't worry about things to much, everyone learns this one on the job, you seem to care a lot, so I'm sure you'll do fine. And have fun with him, kids are a great way to relax (sometimes), and also an excuse to do things you wouldn't normally do.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#26
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't look for hacks. This is almost always good advice, but I think it bears repeating as the crux of this extremely insightful post. And honestly: HN is NOT the place to look for this. I think you're lucky to have someone like kvnn responding up top but you're likely to soon be mired in god knows what. Go be a dad. Do it the way dads have done it forever: Off the cuff, the best they know how. He'll benefit a lot mo…

Perhaps I am wrong for seeking hacks or word it as such. I guess what I was asking for is clever andgood advice from a community I know from first hand experience is full of smart people, some of which I'm banking on them having children. Truth is I'm young and I've never been in this position before. I've also missed out on those first two years with no idea of the damage done. Thanks to both of you for taking the t…

Converse.

Asking questions like "what flavour of juice do you want?" will encourage a reply of "apple" or "orange" rather than a monosyllabic yes/no.

Being ok with whatever the closest approximation of that word you're going to get is and then repeating back the correct pronunciation (as mentioned in another comment) makes this a lot less stressful than it sounds.

If the kid's mother is the primary source of unconditional cuddles, considering becoming the primary source of respect. When I was in a similar sounding situation, the desire to be "daddy's big boy" was a powerful motivating factor for getting him to stretch his abilities.

Also, though ... the fact you care enough to have started this at all suggests that the parenting circuits have kicked in (or ... whatever you want to call it; let's just say I know the "oh shit, I appear to feel like a parent ... ok, wow, this is amazing also I AM SCARED AS HELL OF DOING IT WRONG" feeling) and that combined with a little common sense will go a LONG way.

If you've already "been told his rate of development has been remarkable since (you) became involved" ... you may be micro-optimising something that's already proceeding pretty efficiently already.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#27
I see you're in the UK. I would suggest going to the child's GP, raise your concerns about speech and language delay and ask for a referral to speech and language therapy. If you have other concerns, raise them with your GP as well and you may get other referrals. You'll have to have the child's guardian involved obviously, and depending on procedures, there may be a visit from a social worker to get a sense of the child's needs. That might sound scary but it isn't really. [Note: I live in Ireland but the process is very similar to the best of my knowledge]

Your role here is as a de-facto parent. You clearly care about the boy and you should focus on that - you have a huge role to play, but you are not a language therapist/child psychologist/occupational therapist. Your job is to get the little guy the services he needs and be prepared to be stubborn and insistent that he gets them. And there will be lots of "homework" to do that will keep you busy once you get that.

Early intervention is key, so getting into the system and getting access to the necessary services is your top priority. Accept any and every appointment that comes your way. Also, you need to be in it for the long haul - my experience is that it's a case of incremental progress over long periods rather than giant leaps. You may at some point feel that this is over the the top, or that his issues aren't that bad compared to other kids that you encounter. Forget that thought immediately.

Like others here, I would not generally suggest looking for hacks. But one thing that really works is probably something you're doing already - playing. Let the child lead, talk constantly to describe what they are doing and occasionally ask questions. That's a very basic description that should get you going, and once you get access to the services you need, you may be able to find out more (some sort of parenting course for kids with needs is usually part of the process).

Finally, just keep doing what you're doing, but also look out for yourself in all this. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#28
I work with children with special needs. There are lots of things you can do in everyday interactions with your child. When he speaks to you, articulate back what you think he said clearly as a role model for him. Wherever possible, try and help him be as independent as possible. If I had a pound for everytime things are done for children, when it's completely within their means to do a task independently (e.g. getting dressed etc.) After a long time of being dependent on an adult, children give up and wait for things to be done for them and they can become very passive and almost 'lazy'.

When it comes to toilet training, make it as stress free as possible and offer rewards (whatever he really likes). Make sure that he knows what he has to do for the reward and try and make the completion of it as realistic for him as possible (i.e. don't make it near impossible for him to try- obvious, I know but the amount of times I've seen children given something that I think is difficult for me).

Also, if possible, get a professional involved - start with a General Practitioner if you're not sure, but you can also go to an educational psychologist who should assess and then give you recommendations of what your child needs to make further progress. Sometimes these can be simple adaptations to what you're already doing (we do lots of adaptations in the school where I work to remove barriers to learning).

Other than that, good luck - raising a child is one of the hardest jobs you can do.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#29
post #2

Don't look for hacks. Look for ways to instill healthy habits and skills that he can use for the rest of his life. I'm glad you brought up potty training and speech, because those are both great examples. For speech, I recommend having conversations with him as you would an adult, and try to keep eye contact often enough that he sees your mouth as you speak. Don't hound him on mis pronunciations but feel free to corr…

I recommend this book: "Happiest Toddler on the Block: How to Eliminate Tantrums and Raise a Patient, Respectful and Cooperative One- to Four-year-old" by Harvey Karp.

The book actually has plenty of "tricks". Contrary to what I have read in this page I found (and this is the point of Dr Karps' books) that there are plenty of tricks that are absolutely not intuitive.

For example to avoid a tantrum you repeat to the child what he actually wants ("Jimmy wants to eat more cake") then explain shortly why he cannot and propose something else. I found this works surprisingly well. Just the fact that the child hears what he wants from your mouth seems to make a big difference.

Re: Ask HN: Educating a child who is severely behind

#30
I'm not a speech therapist or anything like that, but I'm a father of a 4 year old with an autism spectrum disorder. So, take my words with a grain of salt.

Regarding speech, I think the most important thing is being patient. No rush, avoid putting the kid under any kind of pressure. I'm saying this as someone who had done the opposite and is now sure it only made things worse. But you should probably try different approaches. Some prefer highly structured approaches, like ABA. I hate ABA because it's like training a dog. Besides, it made no positive impact on my child (it was probably negative). Yes, she did learn a couple of new words, but she doesn't use any of them in the "real world". Every single word she uses actively she learned while playing, exploring, listening to us, you know, doing all the small, everyday things. Also, I too have a book recommendation -- I have just read "It Takes Two To Talk" (look it up on Amazon -- unfortunately it doesn't appear to have the "look/search inside" functionality available. I can give you some more details when I get back home, email me if you're interested) and I suggest you to take a look. It's very simple, practical and essentially, common sense (most of the other books on the topic I've read aren't exactly like that). But it'll save you so much time. You'll be up to speed in two days, instead of, say, 6 months. There's another book on the same topic I heard was great, but the title escapes me right now :( I ordered it a couple of days ago, so I guess I'm going to know the title again really soon :)

Regarding potty training, what worked for us is: first, it's absolutely crucial the kid is at home all the time for this to work. So, no kindergarten. Second, whatever your specific approach is (I suggest you watch the kid's body signs and always have the potty available :), do it for one week. If it doesn't work, stop. Wait for a month or two, then try again (possibly using some other approach). When the kid is ready it'll just happen.

Please keep in mind that I'm no childcare professional. Also, there are many conflicting approaches. For example, I'm sure someone will tell you, for example, that ABA is great. And maybe it really is, for some kids. I guess you'll have to experiment a lot. Good luck! And don't rush. Just don't rush.

Post reply on HN