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Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by iamshs »

pi18n wrote: post #162
iamshs wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy that the customers are getting access to the most widely used video site. I will let the companies dunk it out as to what is unauthorized or what is not. MS responded to it already, and said they are will be happy to work towards betterment of mutual customers on a day where Larry page loathed negativity among companies. Or something to that effect.

They're abusing the patent system to extort money from Android device manufacturers and they have to gall to completely ignore requirements in a ToS. I'm looking forward to the day when Microsoft is completely irrelevant. They should just shut down everything except for the research and Xbox departments now.

Ok love, they will listen to you and shut everything down. What else will make you happy? Motorola actually proving useful to Google?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by recoiledsnake »

MysticMan wrote: post #180
CloudNine wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the sudden change to XMPP was because Google was going to lose ad revenue because of Microsoft adding support for Gtalk in Outlook.com. Google is most effectient at showing relevant ads if they can track people across all their PCs and devices. Gmail is perhaps used as a "loss leader" to make people sign in into Google, so that cookies can be set and your search keywords and activities can be tracked across…

Vic Gundotra was the General Manager of Platform Evangelism in the 90s? That seems to explain a LOT of what's coming. Also, looks like the post is getting heavily flagged and going down the front page rapidly. Perhaps Google fans in the US west coast time zone woke up a bit ago and have starting flagging the story to make it disappear? Four different HN posts about the Youtube takedown notice got heavily flagged yest…

Ugh, look at the HN Rankings graph, that's a sudden big dip within five minutes. Sigh, Google fans continue have a veto power on the front page to silence any critical stories.

http://hnrankings.info/5717995/

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by duaneb »

ajross wrote: post #157
claudius wrote: post #2

Everybody knows that SMTP is old, inefficient (hey, it’s nearly plain-text!), insecure, diversified (so many different servers to choose from!) and generally just bad. Clearly a closed web interface that only runs in Chrome would be much better for everyone! Then people could always be sure with whom they communicate, nobody could hack or social-engineer their way into other accounts, and everyone would have to follo…

Arrgh. Title is total link bait. There is no news about SMTP here . The linked blog post is whining about XMPP, which is not being disabled . Apparently the author is a user of "XMPP Federation" (the ability to link XMPP servers together a-la IRC), which is also not being disabled . But apparently it might be someday, as the new Hangouts stuff won't support it. So how did we get form "can't talk to your Hangout via a…

I don't think they would kill SMTP, but I also didn't think they would kill CalDav.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by andrewguenther »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #168
ajross wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arrgh. Title is total link bait. There is no news about SMTP here . The linked blog post is whining about XMPP, which is not being disabled . Apparently the author is a user of "XMPP Federation" (the ability to link XMPP servers together a-la IRC), which is also not being disabled . But apparently it might be someday, as the new Hangouts stuff won't support it. So how did we get form "can't talk to your Hangout via a…

1. Looking at the other threads I can't quite get a straight answer on XMPP, but it seems to be entirely disabled for the "new communications product called Hangouts" (new??), but this is not just about federation. 2. claudius is very clearly explaining why google SHOULD disable SMTP. Nobody has seriously suggested they would; you might need to recalibrate your satire detector. Also claudius gave several reasons that…

It is not available in Hangouts, but it will continue to be supported "for the foreseeable future" in GTalk.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by DanI-S »

ernesth wrote: post #179
DanI-S wrote: post #170

Just because something is Open doesn't mean it is worth supporting when most people don't care about or use it anymore. Web Search Interest for RSS; down 78% from its peak in 2006: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=RSS Web Search Interest for XMPP; down 33% from its peak in 2010: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=XMPP As Bob Dylan once said: the times, they are a-changin' .

And with SMTP down 80% from its top in 2004 or imap down 58%, the question of the op should seem perfectly legitimate to you.

Clearly not, since SMTP and IMAP are still in far greater use than RSS and XMPP ever were. But do you think that question will never be legitimate? Will we still be using SMTP in 2113?

Google is planning to be around for a long time. What percentage of the resources of your organization do you devote to supporting old technologies in limited use?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by philwelch »

ajross wrote: post #157
claudius wrote: post #2

Everybody knows that SMTP is old, inefficient (hey, it’s nearly plain-text!), insecure, diversified (so many different servers to choose from!) and generally just bad. Clearly a closed web interface that only runs in Chrome would be much better for everyone! Then people could always be sure with whom they communicate, nobody could hack or social-engineer their way into other accounts, and everyone would have to follo…

Arrgh. Title is total link bait. There is no news about SMTP here . The linked blog post is whining about XMPP, which is not being disabled . Apparently the author is a user of "XMPP Federation" (the ability to link XMPP servers together a-la IRC), which is also not being disabled . But apparently it might be someday, as the new Hangouts stuff won't support it. So how did we get form "can't talk to your Hangout via a…

Between Google Reader and XMPP federation, it's clear that Google is turning against open standards.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by pi18n »

iamshs wrote: post #181
pi18n wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're abusing the patent system to extort money from Android device manufacturers and they have to gall to completely ignore requirements in a ToS. I'm looking forward to the day when Microsoft is completely irrelevant. They should just shut down everything except for the research and Xbox departments now.

Ok love, they will listen to you and shut everything down. What else will make you happy? Motorola actually proving useful to Google?

Of course they will shut it all down. Eventually they'll be forced to when nobody cares about them anymore.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by christianmann »

WA wrote: post #69
RexRollman wrote: post #61

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Well put, which is why I have reverted to using Google solely for search.

Well put, which is why I never used Google for anything except search to begin with.

You have a gmail address listed in your profile.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by samastur »

thwarted wrote: post #120
samastur wrote: post #27

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They are not in short term. But do you expect them to keep it going when they have alternative, preferred way of doing and limited resources?

The idea that Google has limited resources, in any practical manner, is laughable. Google already does some kind of charity work, it would be interesting to see them support the continued development of open protocols as side projects to their main offering. This would be the cost of a handful of developers per project/protocol. But they didn't want to support even the small group that was working on Reader, which us…

It would be interesting if it happened. I wouldn't hold my breath.

It doesn't matter if their resources are huge, which they are. They are finite and they have shown, lately quite often, that they don't want to spend them even on things which are relatively popular if they don't see strategic value in them.

Are you really arguing that keeping GTalk around as a competitor to their G+ messenger/hangout/whatever client will help them long term?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by siamore »

Joeri wrote: post #171
siamore wrote: post #136

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Who forced them? I can't find it on wikipedia, in a google search or microsoft's site all I found was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Open_Specification_Pr... I even checked the references, the MS page adds nothing to wikipedia's info in this matter http://www.microsoft.com/openspecifications/en/us/programs/o...

This was a result of the antitrust case sun and novell brought before the EU comission. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_compet... It got us windows without media player (which nobody used), the browser ballot (which everyone endured) and a requirement that all their server protocols be documented sufficiently for competitors to implement the same service (which we all benefited from to a lar…

But they were only required to incorporate support for ODF in office[1], and it seems like they have complied[2]. is there any relationship between ODF and DOC?

[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/05/22/us-eu-microsoft-id...

[2] http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/how-microsof...

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