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Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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I've never been tempted to downvote something solely on the basis of my disagreeing with it, until now.

My suggestion is that instead of reaching for the downvote, that you click the link and read what "Girl Writes What" has to say. Though admittedly a little long-winded, she raises some very interesting points.

Girl Writes What says almost nothing but terrible tripe. Like, that time she advocated domestic abuse as a way of relieving emotional and sexual tension in a relationship [1].

[1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRA/comments/y0nod/jto_brought_up_...

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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post #90

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My suggestion is that instead of reaching for the downvote, that you click the link and read what "Girl Writes What" has to say. Though admittedly a little long-winded, she raises some very interesting points.

Girl Writes What says almost nothing but terrible tripe. Like, that time she advocated domestic abuse as a way of relieving emotional and sexual tension in a relationship [1]. [1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRA/comments/y0nod/jto_brought_up_...

At your link, I don't see her advocating domestic violence in any way shape or manner. I do see her describing one form of it, and then citing the first person to open a domestic violence shelter saying that one form is prevalent. That is a testable claim.

You should test it, instead of intentionally mischaracterizing her argument, and then labeling that argument as tripe.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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I'll say it. It isn't and wasn't and if anything is biased against men . Details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA http://owningyourshit.blogspot.co.uk/

OMG you're so right! I never noticed before that in the vast majority of societies throughout history and today men are effectively second class citizens. Remember how long it took for men to get the vote! And how in some cultures men are effectively the property of their wives! And there are those religious courts where they simply state that a man's statement doesn't count for as much as a woman's statement! I've g…

>The very fact that the counter-argument has to be carefully constructed is itself damning

Either that or the need to carefully construct arises when you know how snarky and dismissive the fine folks on the other side tend to be. They are, after all, invested in their beliefs to a greater degree, as they serve as an "out" for personal career failings. And given the extreme correlation between insane beliefs and self-flattery ("God says I should be king!", etc), that in and of itself is, what's the word....damning.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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The Last Psychiatrist also covered Sandberg as a female role model, you might find it interesting: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/03/dont_hate_her_because...

That was so deliciously brutal.

TheLastPsychiatrist is an excellent and polarizing writer. Heres a punch in the gut on Steubenville. Much like her (I think her, its a matter of debate on gender, but mostly accepted via the comments page as "she") other posts, the storytelling and long-form leads to meta "aha!" points.

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_wo...

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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People should read (if they must) this in context of Greenspun's rather fanatical political ideology. His blog has plenty of samples, I don't want to link to it.

I've never read Greenspun, and I've stopped reading half way through. And I should have already stopped after "Silicon Valley Socialism", but I was hoping he was just joking. He wasn't. Only in America can this kind of crap not be considered extremist ideology.

Greenspun appears to be a moderate Republican. Sorry, but that hardly qualifies as "extremist ideology" anywhere in the world, let alone here in the USA.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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Yeah, for me, this review points to a bigger picture issue. Why is the tech / startup scene so easily lured in by establishment values? Of course there are exceptions, Fog Creek's articles about their compensation policy comes to mind, but very little of the egalitarian ethos that made hacking so cool survives in the way people talk and write about working in tech. Corporate long-hours and ladder climbing ambition? W…

As below, thanks for saying all this. I often wonder what the bloody hell happened to the hacker-ethic and hacker-aesthetic that had drawn me towards tech in the first place. It's getting very close to flipping my switch for, "Burn it all down and start over."

I think the hacker ethic alive and well, and living outside the startup scene/Hacker News.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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You don't link to actual molecular genetic research on behavior and sex differences. I will. Let's do two quick examples. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/science/studying-recent-hu... Gaining a deep insight into human evolution, researchers have identified a mutation in a critical human gene as the source of several distinctive traits that make East Asians different from other races. The traits — thicker hair shaft…

Because there can be no obligation to do that which cannot be done. And because it "cannot be done," we are to close the doors on anyone who cares to try?

If they're trying on their own dollar, no.

But there's a difference too in how they do it. I don't think we should try to make people equal, but to make people equally represented by society.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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I try to keep an open mind, but I am finding it difficult to get past your tone. I find people as confident and dismissive as you appear to be, are the crackpots who are not worth my time. You don't have anything in your HN profile either. But you also went to the trouble to provide references, so I am confused and want to learn more. Are you seriously suggesting its a Sisyphean task to teach women maths or business…

Have you heard of stereotype threat enough to convince someone who believes in it? Well, stereotype threat has actually been debunked. I encourage you to read this full pdf, including Steele and Aronson's response and Sackett/Hardison/Cullen's reply: http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/ogandy/C45405%20resources/Sacke... I find people as confident and dismissive This is a matter of perception. From my vantage point, people w…

My basic gripe with Bell-curve arguments against female genius is that at the high end, in the exponential tail, fine-tuning is needed to explain why a non-negligible fraction of professors at MIT (say) are women. Even a small difference in variance would lead to overwhelming male dominance.

On the other hand, if there were no difference in the distribution of intelligence, but cultural factors held women back, then the current "one-tenth to one-third" fraction of women in jobs needing high intelligence is naturally explained.

A recent PNAS paper showed that International Mathematics Olympiad teams from countries with high gender equality contain more women. http://www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8801.abstract IMO team members are one-in-a-hundred-thousand people - deep into the exponential tail of any Bell curve.

A study in 1999 showed 70% of psychology professors hiring Robert, and 45% hiring Ruth, on the basis of an identical CV. The waters of geek sexism run deep.

Cordelia Fine wrote a good book on the evidence. PDF: http://hagocrat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/delusions-of-gen...

It's totally anecdotal, but the young people in the canteen at JPL are about 50/50.

Notice also the political fine-tuning of the variance argument: it doesn't dare suggest that mean female intelligence is lower (because we'd all reject that). God of the gaps, anyone?

Getting this right matters. If you must hire very good people, and you have the wrong model of how very good people are distributed among the population, you will fail.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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His reviews would've been a lot funnier if Arsdigita didn't crash and burn years ago. On the other hand, it's famously uncertain as to whether that's his fault: http://waxy.org/random/arsdigita/ . I haven't seen a compelling rebuttal of this narrative.

It's his company, he was the CEO. It's his fault.

It's not the CEO's fault if he gets fired/forced out and then the bad stuff happens, though.

Re: Philip Greenspun Reviews “Lean In”

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post #45

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You don't link to actual molecular genetic research on behavior and sex differences. I will. Let's do two quick examples. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/science/studying-recent-hu... Gaining a deep insight into human evolution, researchers have identified a mutation in a critical human gene as the source of several distinctive traits that make East Asians different from other races. The traits — thicker hair shaft…

I try to keep an open mind, but I am finding it difficult to get past your tone. I find people as confident and dismissive as you appear to be, are the crackpots who are not worth my time. You don't have anything in your HN profile either. But you also went to the trouble to provide references, so I am confused and want to learn more. Are you seriously suggesting its a Sisyphean task to teach women maths or business…

> I find people as confident and dismissive as you [...]

But what do you find about the cites? The evidence, and the arguments?

> [...] your conviction in a fringe view of genetic determinism.

Oh, that's easy then. It's easy to disprove perpetual motion crackpots, or infinite compression weirdos, the homeopathic fringe, etc. So trot out a few choice articles.

> You are being condescending and rude [...]

Okay, once is enough - now you're just playing for sympathy. If you don't like someone's tone, don't answer it.

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