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Re: Germany is downgrading

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A serious start up should not be using consumer grade DSL lines.

It's not about what lines your startup uses in the office. It's about what lines your customers have available to them. Try getting something like a video streaming service running if your main consumer base has a traffic limit of several gigabytes a month.

True but thats a separate issue maybe you need to ask your MEP why they cut the budget for BB rollout to rural areas in the EU - But didn't cut the CAP subsidy for farmers

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Badly written article, lacking improtant facts and misrepresenting things (e.g. there is not just Telekom in Germany...) just to finally go all alarmist. :/

Agreed. The article's a rant with little content (the Telekom 'no flatrates anymore' move IS crap, but only mentioned once). There are usually good options available and usually you're up and running quite fast. I can recommend NetCologne (local, dsl/fiber), UnityMedia (cable) and 1&1 (Vodafone reseller) as providers of very nice, very dumb pipes. The author obviously is frustrated and annoyed. That's okay, it happen…

If you are limited to a specific download volume, then it's not really a flat rate, right?

In my region are zero options, as the telekom refuses to give out lines (see article)

Widely available - i was living at various places in germany and the only place which gave me a good connection was Frankfurt. I am now living near munich, its just crap.

The internet isn't going away, nobody said so. But it's in danger to become a two-class internet full of service providers who a) pay to telekom for "managed services" or b) don't pay to telekom. I complain about not respecting "Netzneutralität".

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Finland does :) It is the first country in the world to make broadband access a fundamental right of every citizen! And the speed is ensured to be at least 100 Mbps by 2015.

Last summer we listened to music in a rowing boat in a lake in the middle of nowhere in Finland. Streaming from YouTube. It felt somehow wrong. Like "into the wild", with a 20€ unlimited data plan, and the ability to send live video from the forest. Later, when driving back to civilization, we spent 2 hours playing our favorite tracks in a moving car. Again streaming.

Linus Torvalds: "Q: How do you know you are in the middle of nowhere in Finland? A: Sometimes your cellphone downgrades from HSPA to 3G." https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/LuhjmWpAgVi

Re: Germany is downgrading

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As an American living and working in Germany as an engineer for the past year or so (in a large city, at that), this really shocked me actually. I thought that maybe my landlady was cheap, but it turned out there were actually virtually no better options available. It seemed kind of out of phase with the image Germany tries to project. So many other utilities and services here are really much better than their counte…

why not use http://www.kabeldeutschland.de/ ? their service is available in most rural areas and goes up to 100Mb/s. i am actually surprised the author doesn't even mention them...

Unfortunately Kabel is not available in my region (south bavaria, west from munich)

Re: Germany is downgrading

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It would be interesting to hear how much cheaper we are talking here about. E.g. here in Lithuania (Eastern Europe) I pay about 15$ for 100Mb/s (for 30$ I could get 300Mb/s).

I had similar internet when I was living for 3 years in Poland (Gdansk). 125mbit for ~50 PLN (which was around EUR 15). Now I'm back in Germany and have fabulous 16mbit for nearly 50 Euros. (Fastest internet I can get here.) Also it's ridiculous that my internet access in Poland was set up within 2 days and here I had to wait 6 weeks for everything to work properly.

First of all, I moved to Berlin 9 months ago and in general I'm pretty happy with the service uptime and promised speed etc.

BUT the activation time of your connection is something unacceptable in Germany. Four weeks seems to be the normal case for a landline connection to be up and running. FOUR WEEKS, are you kidding me?

And the same problem is ahead of you if you're moving to another flat.

As I did. I moved one month ago. And I didn't know the new address until 1 week before the end of month. As soon as I knew about it I went to the ISP & asked them to make the switch to the new address.

I had to pay extra (which was ok) and WAIT ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS (which was not ok at all).

So in effect I was without internet for 3 weeks while paying the connection to my old address at the same time.

Someone was saying that here the bottleneck is on Telekom's end. And maybe so? The guy who eventually came after 4 weeks was from Telekom - he basically came around for max 10 minutes (probably 5) and made some magic tricks and voilà - internet working.

EDIT: Wild guess #1: the problem is just too few people at Telekom.

Wild guess #2: If Telekom would offer a service that you pay 100EUR extra to get the connection in two days, they 1) could do it, 2) have loads of customers wanting that service and 3) give jobs to more people and 4) have more money in the pocket

Re: Germany is downgrading

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> Don’t live in a rural area then. So I should choose my preferred living place on the premise of maximizing profitability for my ISP? I don't think so.

No, but you should assume that your ISP will choose it's fiber/DSL/whatever rollout strategy to maximise it's own profitability.

And even if it gets subsidies (which is the case here), I would expect it to spend the public’s money well instead of building kilometres upon kilometres of wiring to connect those three farm houses in the Black Forest.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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> T-Mobile in the States is, if possible, even worse. I visited Puerto Rico Judging the 'United States' based on Puerto Rico?

Why not?

Although it's a US Territory it's pretty far from what you'd get in 'the states'. It's an island, they don't have the same kind of providers or infrastructure, something like only half the households in PR have a computer and only a little over half of those have broadband.

It's just nothing like you would have in say Florida, Texas, or another state.

Re: Germany is downgrading

#58
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I somewhat disagree with this article, at least from my experience. From my experience internet has always been cheaper, faster and more reliable than any time I have had a connecting on the US. I have mostly had experience with Kabel BW and Telekom. For example in the US at the moment it costs me ~$80 for a reasonable cable connection from comcast 20Mb/s. I can expect my connection to go down for a few seconds/minut…

Depends on what state you live in, and what provider you have. Two neighboring towns can have two different providers with very different rates and speeds.

I pay $45 for 30Mb/s from Charter but if I lived in the next city to the south, I'd have Comcast.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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post #31

T-Mobile in the States is, if possible, even worse. I visited Puerto Rico in February and decided on a T-Mobile stick because the one I use in Budapest works perfectly. In PR, though, there were URLs that simply didn't go through - and there is literally no support. None; you simply can't get support at all. No phone, no email - just a "community support" forum where you can post things if you feel like blowing off s…

Fact: Magyar Telekom has the worst customer service of all telecom operators in Hungary according to government funded studies, year after year. I was involved in QA for a few months on a contract basis, bc the parent company (Deutsche Telekom) is apparently freaked out by this fact. So anyway, here are some tips on how to deal with them, unfortunately you can't avoid them forever, but I haven't been in a store for years.

Going to a store should be your last resort. Use My T-Mobile/My T-Home (on their website). If you have a really special problem, call them. Also, never buy anything in a store or on the phone, unless you're very, very good at negotiating, you get 10% off of your orders automatically on the website. Customer service agents use the very same interface (with more privileges of course) but you can do pretty much anything you would want on My T-Mobile. E.g. I know for a fact (I'm also a customer) that you can disable receiving premium texts and having an Internet connection altogether. It's worth checking out every service if they're enabled or disabled at least once, so you can avoid unexpected charges and activate things that you know you might need some day. Btw, your options are very clearly described, much better than how an agent would explain them to you.

If you absolutely must see someone in person, here are some more tips. Always go to T-Pont stores, those are the official reps of the company, never go to a store with a big T-Mobile sign, those are resellers, agents there receive poor training and all they want is to sell you stuff. Don't go to a store in the late afternoon/evening hours, they have the most customers then and you have to wait more. 30 min waiting time is actually not very common, if you go any other time you either won't have to wait or only have to wait a few minutes. Also check on My T-Mobile if you're a 'gold' or 'platinum' client. If you are, always choose that on the first screen in the in-store queue ticketing system, and you'll get to someone in a few minutes even if there are loads of people in the store, bc most people don't know about this.

Yeah, it's ridiculous that you have to know all these to get a good service, but you don't have to put up with it, e.g. Telenor's customer service is pretty good, or so I've heard.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Why not?

Although it's a US Territory it's pretty far from what you'd get in 'the states'. It's an island, they don't have the same kind of providers or infrastructure, something like only half the households in PR have a computer and only a little over half of those have broadband. It's just nothing like you would have in say Florida, Texas, or another state.

T-Mobile is a national provider whose territory includes Puerto Rico. The lack of support is not PR-specific; it's the same company and same infrastructure.
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