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Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by randomdata »

claudius wrote: post #9
shell0x wrote: post #6

I had exactly the same experience when I still lived in Germany. I lived in a rural area and the fastest internet connection was DSL 1000. It wasn't possible to watch youtube videos fluently, software upgrades took ages and video calls were a pain.

Don’t live in a rural area then. With the money it takes to connect a few homes in the middle of nowhere to the high-speed network, you can easily equip many more with fiber in the middle of a decently sized city.

Which is kind of funny because here in rural Canada we have access to fibre in farmhouses, but if you look to the neighbouring cities it is almost non-existant in residential areas.

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Post by luckystarr »

claudius wrote: post #9
shell0x wrote: post #6

I had exactly the same experience when I still lived in Germany. I lived in a rural area and the fastest internet connection was DSL 1000. It wasn't possible to watch youtube videos fluently, software upgrades took ages and video calls were a pain.

Don’t live in a rural area then. With the money it takes to connect a few homes in the middle of nowhere to the high-speed network, you can easily equip many more with fiber in the middle of a decently sized city.

> Don’t live in a rural area then.

So I should choose my preferred living place on the premise of maximizing profitability for my ISP? I don't think so.

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Post by sgift »

EvaK_de wrote: post #3
rwmj wrote: post #2

It's depressing that many governments simply don't understand that providing high speed cheap internet should be the number 1 priority for encouraging growth in technology sectors.

The German government DOES understand this and has already announced to Telekom that they will thoroughly investigate the plans, implying that they may find a way to prevent this.

We have campaign period at the moment. The government will talk about everything to look competent. If they do something after the election I may be inclined to believe that they really understand the issue. Prediction (based on their actions in the last years): That won't happen.

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Post by shared4you »

rwmj wrote: post #2

It's depressing that many governments simply don't understand that providing high speed cheap internet should be the number 1 priority for encouraging growth in technology sectors.

Finland does :) It is the first country in the world to make broadband access a fundamental right of every citizen! And the speed is ensured to be at least 100 Mbps by 2015.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by mars »

_dmd wrote: post #10
thomasjames wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American living and working in Germany as an engineer for the past year or so (in a large city, at that), this really shocked me actually. I thought that maybe my landlady was cheap, but it turned out there were actually virtually no better options available. It seemed kind of out of phase with the image Germany tries to project. So many other utilities and services here are really much better than their counte…

why not use http://www.kabeldeutschland.de/ ? their service is available in most rural areas and goes up to 100Mb/s. i am actually surprised the author doesn't even mention them...

Kabel Deutschland is throttling as well. Unity media just revealed that they dont have any plans to do so. They also off 128 mbit for 60 eur per month.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by mars »

sgift wrote: post #8
EvaK_de wrote: post #4

Badly written article, lacking improtant facts and misrepresenting things (e.g. there is not just Telekom in Germany...) just to finally go all alarmist. :/

In many regions there is only the Telekom. Germany is not only Munich, Koeln, Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt. Many of my friends who do not live in a city have exactly the "choice" between Telekom or nothing.

Thats not correct as other providers are leasing the infrastructure from DT. So you have a choice almost everywhere.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by raverbashing »

At the same time that I think it's important to complain, the post seems too much like a spoiled complaint.

"Don't move your startup there"? Is the poster aware that several startups work with internet worse than that? Internet quality is one important factor, but it is not the only one. I'd even say there are more important factors.

Complains about D-Telekom but offers no alternative? (and that's why government monopolies are BS)

Disclaimer: I may be moving to Germany in a couple of weeks so I may still regret this post

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by luckystarr »

EvaK_de wrote: post #3
rwmj wrote: post #2

It's depressing that many governments simply don't understand that providing high speed cheap internet should be the number 1 priority for encouraging growth in technology sectors.

The German government DOES understand this and has already announced to Telekom that they will thoroughly investigate the plans, implying that they may find a way to prevent this.

The German government just talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. They will rely on voluntary agreements of the Telekom and this will be it.

The current government just don't care about the net, acts even hostile against it.

They could just issue a mandate in the kind of "every citizen shall have 6MBit and no less" like they did with ISDN back in the 90s, but I don't think this will ever happen with CDU/CSU/FDP.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by mars »

mars wrote: post #16
sgift wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many regions there is only the Telekom. Germany is not only Munich, Koeln, Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt. Many of my friends who do not live in a city have exactly the "choice" between Telekom or nothing.

Thats not correct as other providers are leasing the infrastructure from DT. So you have a choice almost everywhere.

and cable is also available almost everywhere.

Re: Germany is downgrading

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Post by madmaze »

I somewhat disagree with this article, at least from my experience. From my experience internet has always been cheaper, faster and more reliable than any time I have had a connecting on the US. I have mostly had experience with Kabel BW and Telekom.

For example in the US at the moment it costs me ~$80 for a reasonable cable connection from comcast 20Mb/s. I can expect my connection to go down for a few seconds/minutes about once a day and once or twice a month it'll be out for longer. I have had this and similar issues up and down the east coast in 5 different locations.

Maybe the experiences with Telekom in Frankfurt and with Kabel BW have been above the norm, but for I never/rarely had connectivity issues and it has always been much cheaper.

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