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Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Posibyte »

moheeb wrote: post #208
Posibyte wrote: post #203

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You bought a product and it did not work as advertised. The recommended path would have been to have it serviced or return it to the distributor. You could also attempt to install the correct working drivers, as this most likely would not void your warranty. However, changing the entire OS is a very big not-recommended move on a recently purchased laptop that's having such a simple problem.

Why post something like this? I don't get it. He stated what he did to fix the problem and it apparently worked. So his recommendation is proven to work and yours is....?

It's smothering the candle with a firehose. It's a very destructive solution for which avenues have been paved before-hand to solve such problems. Did it work? Yes. To fix one small problem (malfunctioning WiFi) he rendered himself incapable of doing other things (use Microsoft compatible software, and, no, I'm not including WINE).

In the end, if his purpose was to install Ubuntu, then good for him. However, I wouldn't give it as general advice out of voiding their warranty alone.

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Post by orangethirty »

Posibyte wrote: post #211
moheeb wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why post something like this? I don't get it. He stated what he did to fix the problem and it apparently worked. So his recommendation is proven to work and yours is....?

It's smothering the candle with a firehose. It's a very destructive solution for which avenues have been paved before-hand to solve such problems. Did it work? Yes. To fix one small problem (malfunctioning WiFi) he rendered himself incapable of doing other things (use Microsoft compatible software, and, no, I'm not including WINE). In the end, if his purpose was to install Ubuntu, then good for him. However, I wouldn…

You missed the point by two blocks. Which is that OS have bugs. In my case, i was going to instalk ubuntu either way. I was making a counter argument against a comment above. Still, installing another OS does not void the warranty where i reside.

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

dkuntz2 wrote: post #170
gizmo686 wrote: post #156

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You do not have to change distributions because you do not like the desktop, you can simply install another one.

That's not entirely true with Ubuntu. With most other distros, yeah, you don't need to change everything else to change a DE, but because unity integrates with everything , which means that Gnome and Cinnamon don't work well with ye-standarde Ubuntu.

The only distribution of Linux I've used is 12.10 (and now 13.04). I use the Cinnamon desktop, and it seems great, I've had no problems with it. So now I'm wondering, could you explain a little bit what I'm missing out on?

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by gizmo686 »

dkuntz2 wrote: post #170
gizmo686 wrote: post #156

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You do not have to change distributions because you do not like the desktop, you can simply install another one.

That's not entirely true with Ubuntu. With most other distros, yeah, you don't need to change everything else to change a DE, but because unity integrates with everything , which means that Gnome and Cinnamon don't work well with ye-standarde Ubuntu.

Its been a while since I configure my CPU, but I am currently running Ubuntu 12.10 (upgraded incrementally from 10.04), with an alternate desktop (Awesome). I have never* noticed a program not work because off this, including the applet icons. The main point to consider in this is that most of the programs that Ubuntu runs are not written, nor maintained, for Ubuntu. Therefore, they should work perfectly well with other desktops. The only incompatibility that Unity introduces is when you are actually using Unity. When you are using another desktop, a program that works in another distro should work just as well. If you install, for example, the package "mate-session-manager", you will install a traditional desktop, and still be running Ubuntu. There are many other desktops to choice from in the Ubuntu repositories. Admittadly, installing one not in the repos will be more complicated.

* I have actually run into 1 problem (with java) arising from the fact that Awesome is a non-re-parenting WM. This rarely came up, and was solved by claiming to be running 'LG3D' as my window manager, as that is on java's hard coded list on non-re-parenting WM`s.

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Post by dman »

YZF wrote: post #198
xradionut wrote: post #194

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Except for a few driver issues, (Nvidia and Optimus, doh!), I haven't had a issue with Ubuntu or Mint. Any other issues with configuration, I would have also had with Windows or OS X since they were application or server specific. But I don't spend days tweaking the UI, I have a baseline of UI expectations that's not too difficult to meet. (But Windows 8 doesn't meet it... 'nother story for 'nother day...)

I've had tons of issues. Especially around power management, multi-monitor support etc. When I "Hibernate" I also need to roll a d10 to know if it'll actually come back up. This is anecdotal but on same hardware there are no issues under Windows and everything works as expected. Eclipse seems less stable and slower under Ubuntu which is probably related to the Java run time. Firefox also less stable. Webcam sometimes…

On what hardware?

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Post by mrinterweb »

sutro wrote: post #188

Have they gotten rid of Unity yet? No? Pass.

I was very sceptical of Unity at first. When it was originally introduced in 11.04, it was obviously not ready for prime time. Unity is much more polished now. Unity used to be a resource hog and all kinds of glitchy. Now, Unity is efficient, stable, well thought out, and quite usable. I prefer it to Gnome Shell, KDE 4x, XFCE, Gnome 2, Mate, Cinnamon, and even Xmonad. I don't understand the disdain for Unity these days except for maybe the Amazon crap (which can be disabled).

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Post by signed0 »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #207
indeyets wrote: post #78

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imo.im and similar services have one disadvantage: you give keys to all of your communications to additional 3rd party (as if microsoft wasn't enough)

3rd party? Microsoft own Skype.

You give your keys to imo.im.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Stratoscope »

omegaham wrote: post #127
claudius wrote: post #118

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Said user should then have a system administrator to set up the system. Really, you either read the manual to learn such things or you get someone to do them, expecting a system as complex as a computer to work out-of-the-box is nonsense.

What you seem to be saying is that in order to use a personal computer, you should be an expert. I disagree, and I'm glad that most people disagree as well. User-friendliness is important regardless of what system it is, even Linux. Have you noticed that the most successful distributions of Linux are the ones that are most friendly to beginners? This elitism is destructive and serves only to make the "experts" smug a…

I had a taste of those elitist attitudes a few years ago when I was looking up how to add a user on an Ubuntu server and the top result for a search on "ubuntu add user" was this page:

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/add-a-user-on-ubuntu-s...

Ubuntu has two commands for this, useradd and adduser, where adduser is the easier one for newbies, while useradd is more flexible but has a lot of ways you can get it wrong. In fact, 'man useradd' recommends using adduser instead.

Unfortunately, that how-to page starts with useradd, and the first example on the page is:

useradd

It isn't until later on the page that it mentions that there are some options you must add to the command if you want it to set up everything correctly for a typical user. And if you leave these options out, the page doesn't explain how to fix it after the fact.

Finally, near the bottom of the page it mentions the adduser command that would have worked with no special options and no hassles.

So, being at the time a Linux newbie, I worked through the how-to and tried the useradd command it suggested, got myself into a situation where I wasn't sure exactly what I'd really done and hadn't done, then finally discovered the adduser command I should have used in the first place. I posted a reasonably polite complaint that the how-to had led me down the wrong path and it ought to start with the recommended adduser command instead of just mentioning it in passing at the end.

The responses I got were fairly eye-opening. (Click the "show archived reader comments (36)" link to see them.)

This one was my favorite:

> Michael Greary [sic] you are a D&%K H#$&D. You’re the 1 that messed it up no1 else, and anyone else for that matter.

> Hopefully you’ve learnt by now that when blindly running linux commands you should read the whole article to make sure it’s what you want first.

> Blaming it on other ppl isn’t gonna help either. You should’ve said it by admitting your mistake, asking for a way to rectify it.

> (sigh) I bet you have no friends

I have to admit he was right. Clearly, I am not worthy of using Ubuntu!

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jneen »

mindstab wrote: post #183
jneen wrote: post #176

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Guys, Skype is owned by Microsoft, and the Linux version hasn't been touched in like 2 years. I'm frankly not surprised it's b0rked. So... yes, the user should use software that isn't deprecating support for their platform.

They are releasing steady updates for it. 4.1 came out Nov 2012. That's hardly 2 years. That's after the last Ubuntu release. And it's fully supported for the platform. What are you talking about?

Well that's news to me. The last I looked was before November, I guess, and before that it still had the same old crufty UI from like 5 years ago. The userbase had been pretty up-in-arms about it for a while too: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Vote-here-for-linux-skyp...

Edit: also, they're still sitting on version 5, which introduced group video calling. It's a pretty sad situation overall.

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