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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by phpluver »

mnicole wrote: post #282
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

This is why I left shitty sendgrid for mailjt. Fuck her and sendgrid. She's not a "developer" she was there for marketing.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by vr6 »

Honestly, I cant speak to what happened here as Im not sure what to think other than both US government and now its citizens are working to maintain police state rather than a free country. Beyond that, I happen to work in an environment where women are not treated fairly or given the same opportunities as male sw developers. I survive it, try not to be part of the problem, but it sucks! There really is a gender inequality problem in the tech industry and I think both sides are part of the problem. Both sides conduct themselves in ways that propagate the issues. Beyond that, even tech woman within their own gender group become more detrimental to each other than the males. It's sickening!

How do we truly begin to solve this on all layers? I guess the first step is awareness within all layers of the issue, and agree on all sides there are problems that cut both ways, and then we must be willing to resolve it on all layers. We cant just hold one gender responsible, we all are responsible. But really how best to do this???

Single White Female Systems and Sw Developer

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by crystallize »

commentor wrote: post #619
tripleggg wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm a developer evangelist" This is code for professional bullshitter. We (the real developers) don't need any "evangelizing." Our work speaks for itself.

FYI - she took your picture and published it, without a model release . . . technically, per the letter of the law - that is illegal . . . just sayin'

Her taking a picture and posting it to Twitter (which is different from publishing) is not illegal. She didn't need a model release. The only time you need a model release is if you intend to sell the photograph of a person to be used for commercial purposes. You know, sell the picture to a company for the company to use it in an advertisement. At that time, a model release is required. No monetary gain was acquired in this situation, so why would a release be required?

Know Copyright and publishing laws when you comment... just sayin'

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by ash_2134 »

mnicole wrote: post #282
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

^ Agree. I just wanted to also add that recently I was speaking with a friend of mine, he is in the process of hiring and he was saying that it's hard because he would like to bring a woman onto the team, but is weary because of past experiences of working with women like Adria. But I really don't feel like this situation is gender related, although it's things like this that make it hard for women to fit into a work environment that is male dominant. I happen to be in the military and have been in a few situations where I'm more or less ignored for safety's sake.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by SallySinep »

mormy wrote: post #569
SallySinep wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adria, can you please do us all a huge favor and provide for us the exact wording of both the "dongle" and "forking" remarks that were made? All we have so far are assertions that these remarks were sexual in nature, but not evidence . I'm not saying I'd be surprised if one, or both of them were (knowing all too well the way men sometimes are, at these conferences). But really, it shouldn't be too hard for you to jus…

errm no. because there was no "forking" joke. There was I'd fork that guy's repo. If you don't know what forking and repo means, well to put it bluntly you're out of place @ a dev conf. I fail to see how either of which is sexist, although if strained may be sexual. And also Adria made the much more lewd big dongle joke herself on Twitter a while back... It's all in comments here

If you don't know what forking and repo means,

If you think that, you're reading way too much into my question.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mkr-hn »

CRConrad wrote: post #601
mkr-hn wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Language policing helps your argument a lot.

Exactly. Only, it's changing the age-old term strawmen to "strawpeople" that is the language policing here.

I can't police my own language. I chose the word. I have that right.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by Gloria_Sass »

mnicole wrote: post #282
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

I am glad to see I'm not the only woman with this opinion.

Frankly, I think mr-hank should file criminal charges, under VAWA section 2261A on stalking, which states that an individual is guilty of stalking if, with intent to harass or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to that person.

I think it can be reasonably stated that public shaming is intended to cause emotional distress, and mr-hank suffered damages (job loss) as a result, affecting not just himself but the welfare of his family.

With the addition of the much-touted nondiscrimination clause, the law should apply equally to his situation as it would to a woman under similar circumstances.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by torin »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #591
adriarichards wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

I think the basic problem here that you are a documented fraud. You claimed to be some kind of Joan of Arc "minus the visions." Honestly, it seems to be it is more like "plus greater delusions of grandeur." You seem to have jumped on this as a way to drive your popularity; you were just too short sighted to see the backlash, I suppose. Perhaps, you enjoy some of the backlash because it may allow you to pivot toward s…

Excellent incisive post.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by artfldgr »

Gloria_Sass wrote: post #627
mnicole wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

I am glad to see I'm not the only woman with this opinion. Frankly, I think mr-hank should file criminal charges, under VAWA section 2261A on stalking, which states that an individual is guilty of stalking if, with intent to harass or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other fa…

I think u missed the partvwhere thevlaw is for special people Which is why its not violence against people It says its ok to do this..... Unequal before the law Hec u should see my office after my own affirmative action andrea Passed over for promo despite 30 yrs experience n longest working for company Lies n punishment for aspergers Office is 47 inches x 57 inches Very hot interfering with frtility so wife n i cant have baby Completely isolated from human contact for more than tw years Tia stroke at 48 sitting so cramped Trainee females git desks credenzas raises etc Cant go to court, i have no rights ( as yhe judge told me when an ex took my son) which is another insane story ( faked murder n a bank robbery, but since it was a she i had no rights) I still work here in reasearch computing in one of the worlds top med schools No degree, self taught.... indonesian wife being punished

Its systemic and you cant complain OR ELSE So i am justvwaiting to die and hanging on for my wife to be ok ( and a son whou graduated with honors in genetics But he quit as they took his money away so he is accepting a commission in the navy I went to bronx sci... but ya cant prove women are better unless u remove competition and bury it But what can ya do??? My famiky already fled communism n the rest died who didnt We were refugee and poor and i was to succed

Dont feel bad... u got off lucky Sue if u can find a place Go on w ur life, dont resent it It will allow her to rot u from inside

There is an army of people who care

Now i return to a literally dark tiny isolated hole i hope thectime passes fast n god can give my wife what comes Nothing i can do I am told i am priveledged despite being homeless to take classes N homeless in ny is not a picnic... but i did attend barnard baruch (Sis has lots of degrees n still in school..)

Good luck sir Be happy God bless

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

#630

Post by artfldgr »

Gloria_Sass wrote: post #627
mnicole wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

I am glad to see I'm not the only woman with this opinion. Frankly, I think mr-hank should file criminal charges, under VAWA section 2261A on stalking, which states that an individual is guilty of stalking if, with intent to harass or intimidate another person, uses the mail, any interactive computer service or electronic communication service or electronic communication system of interstate commerce, or any other fa…

Forgive the format i am not used to using phone for this

I think u missed the partvwhere thevlaw is for special people Which is why its not violence against people It says its ok to do this..... Unequal before the law Hec u should see my office after my own affirmative action andrea Passed over for promo despite 30 yrs experience n longest working for company Lies n punishment for aspergers Office is 47 inches x 57 inches Very hot interfering with frtility so wife n i cant have baby Completely isolated from human contact for more than tw years Tia stroke at 48 sitting so cramped Trainee females git desks credenzas raises etc Cant go to court, i have no rights ( as yhe judge told me when an ex took my son) which is another insane story ( faked murder n a bank robbery, but since it was a she i had no rights) I still work here in reasearch computing in one of the worlds top med schools No degree, self taught.... indonesian wife being punished

Its systemic and you cant complain OR ELSE So i am justvwaiting to die and hanging on for my wife to be ok ( and a son whou graduated with honors in genetics But he quit as they took his money away so he is accepting a commission in the navy I went to bronx sci... but ya cant prove women are better unless u remove competition and bury it But what can ya do??? My famiky already fled communism n the rest died who didnt We were refugee and poor and i was to succed

Dont feel bad... u got off lucky Sue if u can find a place Go on w ur life, dont resent it It will allow her to rot u from inside

There is an army of people who care

Now i return to a literally dark tiny isolated hole i hope thectime passes fast n god can give my wife what comes Nothing i can do I am told i am priveledged despite being homeless to take classes N homeless in ny is not a picnic... but i did attend barnard baruch (Sis has lots of degrees n still in school..)

Good luck sir Be happy God bless

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