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Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

philwelch wrote: post #99
stcredzero wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been plenty of humor by cruel people perpetrating injustices. They thought it was genuinely funny at the time. Sometimes, a bit more time has to pass before things can be laughed off. Zealots are known for absolutist positions. An absolutist position on laughter is as much a potential big mistake as most other absolutist positions. There's no substitute to being aware of your surroundings and being open to ot…

I will forever remain at a loss about how dongle jokes perpetrate injustice. All I know is that they really got under the skin of an all-too-serious, uptight prig, and the overreaction of that prig means it gets even deeper under the skin of prigs everywhere. And that is always funny.

> I will forever remain at a loss about how dongle jokes perpetrate injustice.

I wasn't talking about the present situation. I have to speak out against the notion that laughter = good. It's not. It's orthogonal. I see so many young people use the good feeling of it to convince themselves they're doing right, though.

> All I know is that they really got under the skin of an all-too-serious, uptight prig, and the overreaction of that prig means it gets even deeper under the skin of prigs everywhere. And that is always funny.

Nope. No bitterness or contempt there at all. Your breadth of experience is such that you can guarantee you have a full understanding of everyone, such that you always know perfectly who has genuine suffering and who is just uptight and trying to control? Sounds entirely plausible and humble to me. Sounds kinda like Santa's list.

Again, this isn't for or against Adria or the other parties, or even about this one issue. Laughter is many things and it's often wonderful, but it isn't a supernatural oracle of good. Taking it to be that is a pathway to madness. It's like worshipping the feeling of being in love. And we all know that never goes wrong.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

derleth wrote: post #91
stcredzero wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been plenty of humor by cruel people perpetrating injustices. They thought it was genuinely funny at the time. Sometimes, a bit more time has to pass before things can be laughed off. Zealots are known for absolutist positions. An absolutist position on laughter is as much a potential big mistake as most other absolutist positions. There's no substitute to being aware of your surroundings and being open to ot…

> There's been plenty of humor by cruel people perpetrating injustices. They thought it was genuinely funny at the time. Yes. Exactly. And there is no hard-and-fast rule to determine what kind of humor perpetrates injustices, because, frankly, it is up to every single individual who hears the joke. And that's scary, especially when people think that normal socializing behaviors can all of a sudden get them fired and…

> So use an old rule: Common courtesy. Giving people the benefit of the doubt. Treating other people as stupid human beings. Yes, "stupid". More offense is caused by stupidity than actual malice.

Well said.

> Of course, if you find that the other person really is being malicious, knock them down with a righteous wrath and tell us all about it afterwards.

I find there's more hate and malice than ever before nowadays. It's also more self-righteous than it was before too. It's like the Internet is the Babelfish from the Hitchikers series, causing more acrimony than ever before, now that we have fuller access to what everyone else thinks.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by [deleted] »

etchalon wrote: post #62
MikeAmelung wrote: post #52

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I don't understand why you find that distasteful? I've spent way more time than I should have following many, many conversations about this insanity. When you filter out the crazies on either side, it seems that most rational people have decided that it's ok to make fun of things, even if your joke isn't for everyone. I think it's unfortunate that you're saying that a man or group of men shouldn't be able to raise mo…

Because a woman got fired because she got a guy fired for making a completely innocent joke and then a bunch of guys all started harassing that woman on the internet to the point where I had to kinda feel bad for her even though she was entirely in the wrong and I was glad she got fired. So a bunch of guys then making fun of the whole thing with a shirt seems mean-spirited. Like, your gender won (well, common sense w…

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Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

MrScruff wrote: post #114
Finbarr wrote: post #111

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There was originally only one shirt that was not identified as male or female. One of your fellow commenters asked if there was a female version of the shirt available, hence the inclusion of a shirt with that description. The "men's" shirt is a standard American Apparel cut. The "women's" shirt was described as such by teespring and seems to have been designed for a smaller framed human. Women should feel free to or…

I took trhtrsh's comment as sarcasm. If not then I think people have officially lost their minds and we may need to reboot the internet.

So long as Nimoy has a cameo, the majority should be fine with it.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by srl »

georgeorwell wrote: post #57
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #56

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Some of us are still shellshocked after receiving numerous death threats and having our inboxes spammed with pictures of dismembered infants. Maybe waiting one fucking hot minute would be in order?

Hi rmrfrmrf. I went through your recent comments. By and large, they're highly inflammatory. Ease off on the vitriol and your life might get a bit easier. To be precise, these are the comments that I find inflammatory: > Because anti-woman and anti-black hate groups are trying to game HN with mass account creation and upvote spam. > SendGrid would have come out stronger from weathering the storm as a defender and pro…

I initially wrote a snarky comment along the lines of "that you disagree with a comment does not make it inflammatory", but looking at your comment history, it appears that you've actually tried to play the voice of reason for the whole forky-dongly "scandal". So good for you. You seem to be alone (if you ignore all the cowards - like me - who just decided to be quiet).

I don't find the above comments to be very inflammatory, though. There's a not-totally-insane POV from which Adria's actions were not only reasonable, but commendable, and necessary to disrupt an inherently hostile environment. (I don't agree with this point-of-view, and think it addresses superficial problems with culture rather than attack fundamental problems with education, but whatever.) From that same point of view, these comments are entirely reasonable - the fact that Adria is being treated as she is is only another incarnation of appalling systematic misogyny. Adria, by posting those guys' photos to twitter, was standing up to that perceived culture (if you buy into this - I personally think she was just power-tripping), and attacking Adria for doing that sounds a lot like someone saying "shut up, sit down, stop causing trouble" to someone reporting a fire.

That rmrfrmrf's comments were taken as inflammatory (by you) seems to me to be less of an indicator of the vitriol in his rhetoric, and more a measure of the gap between the two sides of this debate. (A gap this fiasco has apparently done nothing to bridge, sadly.)

That rmrfrmrf's comments were taken as inflammatory by those who sent the death threats / dismembered baby pics, on the other hand, is a good measure of the number of complete idiots who frequent HN. Hopefully not too many.

Lastly, please do /not/ tell someone who has received (or claims to have received - just to be fair) death threats to take a metaphorical chill-pill, or otherwise imply that he/she ought to correct his/her own behavior to make the death threats stop. That /is/ inflammatory.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by smoyer »

antidaily wrote: post #39
pud wrote: post #11

Considered buying it. But "fork my dongle" isn't, technically, a thing. So I'd feel kinda like a poser wearing it -- like "look, I'm a l33t haxor!" who got it wrong. Or like ones of those Chinese tattoos that doesn't actually mean anything in Chinese. Or like one of those action movies with bogus hacking scenes ("enhance!"). Or like someone wearing an Iron Maiden shirt from Urban Outfitters who's never actually heard…

Exactly. It's just a reference to an unfortunate series of events that won't be worth explaining in a month. Make it 'Fork My Repo' and I'm a buyer.

Fork my repo and leave my dongle alone?

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by smoyer »

samstave wrote: post #86
pud wrote: post #11

Considered buying it. But "fork my dongle" isn't, technically, a thing. So I'd feel kinda like a poser wearing it -- like "look, I'm a l33t haxor!" who got it wrong. Or like ones of those Chinese tattoos that doesn't actually mean anything in Chinese. Or like one of those action movies with bogus hacking scenes ("enhance!"). Or like someone wearing an Iron Maiden shirt from Urban Outfitters who's never actually heard…

Forks and dongles are both male, so this is a retarded way to "support women in tech" "Finger my ports" would be far more appropriate.

I have a mentally handicapped son and your use of the word retarded offends me. Pick another word? (And by the way, I do agree with your premise).

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by _pmf_ »

etchalon wrote: post #62
MikeAmelung wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you find that distasteful? I've spent way more time than I should have following many, many conversations about this insanity. When you filter out the crazies on either side, it seems that most rational people have decided that it's ok to make fun of things, even if your joke isn't for everyone. I think it's unfortunate that you're saying that a man or group of men shouldn't be able to raise mo…

Because a woman got fired because she got a guy fired for making a completely innocent joke and then a bunch of guys all started harassing that woman on the internet to the point where I had to kinda feel bad for her even though she was entirely in the wrong and I was glad she got fired. So a bunch of guys then making fun of the whole thing with a shirt seems mean-spirited. Like, your gender won (well, common sense w…

> Because a woman got fired because she got a guy fired

She got fired because she showed the whole world (and by whole world, I of course refer to the ridiculous tech circus that cares about this at all) that she it exceptionally bad at exactly what she is payed to do, which is to maintain a healthy relationship with the developer community of her employer.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by DigitalSea »

Wonderful idea out of an unfortunately bad and highly public situation. I'll buy this for the charity aspect, but doubt I would wear it though. I feel bad for the guy who lost his job because of this situation who has a wife and 3 kids to support. Supporting Girls Who Code is a noble cause, but I'd love to see some support for the guy who lost his job and has a family. The fact nobody seems to care about that part in this fiasco, that doesn't sit well with me.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by VMG »

mlent wrote: post #98
antidaily wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. It's just a reference to an unfortunate series of events that won't be worth explaining in a month. Make it 'Fork My Repo' and I'm a buyer.

As a woman I'd probably be afraid to wear a "Fork my Repo" shirt. I think you can guess why. Just some food for thought...

What about "I'll fork your repo"?
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