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Wow... How did HN become a den of self-righteous, humorless self-flagellation. Someone tried to do something funny after all the overheated rhetoric of the past of couple of days along with introducing a clever bit of entrepreneurship in the process. Whether you'd buy the shirt or not (I won't) at least try to appreciate the initiative and cheekiness.

I'm just getting tired of it... I want to learn things when I come here, and I want to watch great conversations unfold, sometimes even participate in them, but these meme-cycles... the whole "x will get google reader'd!" thing, the fork my dongle thing, the chart.js 'scandal', all of these just senseless, tiring mass bursts of outrage that pop up everywhere are getting in the way of my goal of learning and conversing, and I'm just getting tired of it...

That's my opinion, at least.

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#62

So I just bought one, but am now regretting it. You need to make it clear "Girls Who Code" has nothing to do with this shirt. "We intend to give the money to Girls Who Code. In the event that they do not accept the money we'll look for another charity that supports women in tech." While I firmly stand on the side of the poor bastard who got fired for making a simple joke, I find it distasteful that a bunch of guys wo…

I don't understand why you find that distasteful? I've spent way more time than I should have following many, many conversations about this insanity. When you filter out the crazies on either side, it seems that most rational people have decided that it's ok to make fun of things, even if your joke isn't for everyone. I think it's unfortunate that you're saying that a man or group of men shouldn't be able to raise mo…

Because a woman got fired because she got a guy fired for making a completely innocent joke and then a bunch of guys all started harassing that woman on the internet to the point where I had to kinda feel bad for her even though she was entirely in the wrong and I was glad she got fired.

So a bunch of guys then making fun of the whole thing with a shirt seems mean-spirited. Like, your gender won (well, common sense won, but) let it go.

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#63
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So I just bought one, but am now regretting it. You need to make it clear "Girls Who Code" has nothing to do with this shirt. "We intend to give the money to Girls Who Code. In the event that they do not accept the money we'll look for another charity that supports women in tech." While I firmly stand on the side of the poor bastard who got fired for making a simple joke, I find it distasteful that a bunch of guys wo…

I'm sorry you feel that way. There was really no intention to be mean spirited. As a software engineer myself I definitely want to see more women in tech. I've seen a lot of interest in the donglegate story over the last couple of days and just saw an opportunity to shift focus onto a worthwhile cause.

Yeah, I get that, and I don't think it was actually mean spirited, just feels that way.

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#64
Hi, I designed the shirt. I didn't intend for this to come off as mean spirited. There have been overreactions on both sides of this whole mess.

We made this shirt because we believe that it's okay to laugh at potty humor and support women in tech at the same time.

Also I do want to make it clear that we are not affiliated with Girls Who Code, we just support their cause.

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#65

Fuck anyone who buys this. Adria did a real mean thing in response to some juvenile jokes, but this is the real fucking problem and if someone got shamed for this , they'd deserve it.

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#66

Fuck anyone who buys this. Adria did a real mean thing in response to some juvenile jokes, but this is the real fucking problem and if someone got shamed for this , they'd deserve it.

How is this the real problem? To me, it seems like the solution. The whole situation is absolutely ridiculous and sounds like a scene from a third grade classroom. To accuse these guys of encouraging sexism or whatever you're implying is akin to accusing Stephen Colbert of spreading anti-intellectualism.

Part of being a mature adult in 2013 is having the ability to not be offended by silly, immature humor. The childish response is to cry and tattle.

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There was really no intention to be mean spirited. The idea was just to shift the focus onto something relevant. Girls Who Code is a great cause. There's no need to buy a shirt to donate.

Shift the focus by putting the original tasteless remarks that started the whole ordeal on a t-shirt? Sorry, but I'm skeptical.

AFAIK we haven't quoted the original remarks and the phrase on the shirt is a nonsensical paraphrase of what was said. Part of the intention was to neutralize the words. Really, it's just a bit of fun and the best outcome would be to raise some money for women in tech.

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#68

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Some of us are still shellshocked after receiving numerous death threats and having our inboxes spammed with pictures of dismembered infants. Maybe waiting one fucking hot minute would be in order?

Hi rmrfrmrf. I went through your recent comments. By and large, they're highly inflammatory. Ease off on the vitriol and your life might get a bit easier. To be precise, these are the comments that I find inflammatory: > Because anti-woman and anti-black hate groups are trying to game HN with mass account creation and upvote spam. > SendGrid would have come out stronger from weathering the storm as a defender and pro…

Hi georgeorwell. I just went through your one comment above.

You just told somebody who complained of getting death threats because of his comments here to watch how he comments so "his life might get a bit easier?"

I can't imagine anything more cowardly that you could have possibly posted.

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was really no intention to be mean spirited. The idea was just to shift the focus onto something relevant. Girls Who Code is a great cause. There's no need to buy a shirt to donate.

Then why not just donate to Girls Who Code, and skip the snarky t-shirt?

Well, the collective donating power of many is much greater than a single donor.

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In fact, that seems to be the entire point: to be mean spirited and obviate any responsibility by claiming to support a charity.

There was really no intention to be mean spirited. The idea was just to shift the focus onto something relevant. Girls Who Code is a great cause. There's no need to buy a shirt to donate.

I find it distasteful because it's not really that funny in this context. Dongle's a funny word, sure, but here, it just feels meanspirited. It's taking sides in an issue where nobody looks good.

I don't have a problem with the joke being made. I don't have a problem Richards being offended and reporting it to the convention staff, and, as a matter of fact, I applaud her decision to do something about it. And PyCon's staff, from all reports, handled themselves very well in this situation. Could the two guys in the photo been a little more sensitive to those around them? Sure. Could Richards have followed the advice she wrote in her own blog post and talked to the two men or alerted the staff privately? Absolutely. Would this entire clusterfuck have been avoided if one of those two things happened? Yes.

But both of those things happened, and it spiraled out of control. Because of one somewhat insensitive joke, and a really bad twitter post. Everything that's happened after: the twitter posts, the blog posts, the firings, the harrasment, the DDOS', it all leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, and I don't see anything funny about this at all.

Because nobody involved here came out looking sympathetic. Richards used her soapbox to publicly shame two men who really didn't deserve much more than maybe a simple talking to. The two men who made the joke could have shown some restraint, but did not. Both of the companies probably made the wrong decision to fire the two, though in Play Haven's case, there could be other things we don't know about, and Richards dragged in her company into the conversation probably without their approval.

Because it's been twisted into everyone's pet racism/sexism/ism trigger topic. Bigots are using Adria's behavior as an example of why women can't be trusted. People sensitive to issues of gender, sex, and race are using it as an example for why the entire industry's a cesspool of bigotry and sexism. For those of us who know that the truth is neither of those, it's incredibly disheartening, because you can choose your belief, and there's something here that will validate it.

So yes, this just feels meanspirited.

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