PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

Post by RougeFemme » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 4:45 PM UTC

king_jester wrote: post #163

freehunter wrote: post #105

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She probably didn't want to get them fired. But it's hard to argue that she didn't want to cause them real damage, at the very least to their reputation. And it should be plainly obvious to someone with a media presence that anything negative they say about someone will ripple well beyond that person's own realm of control. Everyone says things in private they wouldn't want their employer to hear. People curse outsid…

> Everyone says things in private they wouldn't want their employer to hear. That's the difference in this case. The men in question were not in the personal life having a private discussion, they were attending a conference that their employer was a sponsor of and they were marked as being representatives of that sponsor company via their badges. They are already damaging their own and their company's reputation by…

Post by Torgo » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 4:46 PM UTC

jack_trades wrote: post #175

dos1 wrote: post #27

One of the reasons I've taken an interest in this whole fiasco is that I occasionally make "colorful" jokes. Not dissimilar from the two guys at PyCon. I make every attempt to keep these jokes private between my friends and I, but I'm sure others have heard me make them. Some people might find them funny, others may be offended. It scares me to think that making an offhand penis joke could result in being publicly ou…

Public shame is not a problem. Public shame is less about an individual and more about sharing expectations with a community. Shame on people who can't help but blurt out clumsy penis jokes in essentially tight quarters at a professional conference. Go and make colorful jokes everywhere and then defend yourself on twitter. Who's stopping you/them? They have twitter accounts, no? Represent yourselves. More words tell…

Post by SallySinep » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 4:48 PM UTC

jordan0day wrote: post #79

imsofuture wrote: post #63

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If a man had posted that tweet, their firing would not have been notable and the internet would not be calling for boycotts, 'justice', apologies nor issuing death threats.

That's an unsupportable assertion.

Post by shardling » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 4:49 PM UTC

CodeMage wrote: post #166

imsofuture wrote: post #44

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What's amazing to me is the cognitive dissonance required to make the leap from Adria publicly outing someone (questionable, but not egregious given you know, the public venue) making an off-color joke to 'she got these people fired'. Their boss finding out what they said got them fired. Because what they said wasn't appropriate in the opinion of their employer. Period. Full stop.

Their boss finding out what they said got them fired. You know, we don't actually know what they said. We also don't know for sure why the guy was fired. It might help to keep these things in mind before yelling "off with their heads" or "off with her head". For the record, I'm neither defending them nor saying Adria handled it right. I could go on, but I already blogged about it [1] and I'm tired of repeating myself…

Post by eropple » Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 4:49 PM UTC

mtrimpe wrote: post #179

freehunter wrote: post #144

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Good god this is so false. I cannot even begin to comprehend that someone would make the statement that anyone supporting women's rights will be automatically downvoted on Hacker News. You can't imagine any other reason the post would be downvoted? How about the statement that you shouldn't say anything you wouldn't want tweeted out of context? How about calling Twitter "tweeter"? Or the implication that this guy had…

If you take a look at my comment history you'll see that I tend to comment on womens rights issues quite frequently, since I'm LGBT myself so their cause is quite close to my heart. I can tell you from experience that I've seen my votes go up and down 5 or 10 points easily when I comment on topics like these. I've never noticed that for any other comments I make.