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Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by jagermo »

objclxt wrote: post #35
0x44 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With very constrained exceptions, in most jurisdictions of the United States, it's entirely legal to take a photograph of an individual in a public place and post it to the Internet without their permission.

Bear in mind they were not in a public place, but a conference venue - which would almost certainly be private property. It is totally legal to prohibit photography in such cases. However, normally this has to be made explicit (through signs, or the like) - it's assumed it is allowed unless otherwise stated. I wonder if going forward conferences will consider banning photography in future, for better or for worse.

Thank you for the explanation, that clears a lot of things up around this topic

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by pfortuny »

dos1 wrote: post #27

One of the reasons I've taken an interest in this whole fiasco is that I occasionally make "colorful" jokes. Not dissimilar from the two guys at PyCon. I make every attempt to keep these jokes private between my friends and I, but I'm sure others have heard me make them. Some people might find them funny, others may be offended. It scares me to think that making an offhand penis joke could result in being publicly ou…

When you are a geek and attend a conference, you are certainly going to tweet everything relevant about it. Well, Adria Richards decided that silly joke was worth tweeting.

I am sad for the person evicted from his job, but then again: f you do not know your environment, you should not work in it. And tweeter is as strong as it gets.

It is hard, but these are real life jobs and real life conferences and real life education and real life people. Deal with it: the only way not to appear on tweeter the way you would not like to is to... behave VERY CAREFULLY.

You do not want to look dumb? Do not act dumbly.

Silly jokes during a talk are like using a public wifi at RSA...

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by imsofuture »

Sumaso wrote: post #60
imsofuture wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's amazing to me is the cognitive dissonance required to make the leap from Adria publicly outing someone (questionable, but not egregious given you know, the public venue) making an off-color joke to 'she got these people fired'. Their boss finding out what they said got them fired. Because what they said wasn't appropriate in the opinion of their employer. Period. Full stop.

It was her public outing that caused this situation in the first place! Also, do you think if there wasn't as much drama going around that these men still would have been fired? There is much more to this situation then an employer finding out that one of their employees make a dongle joke at a conference, and decided that was grounds for them to be fired. It is much more likely that the employer doesn't want to be a…

If a man had posted that tweet, their firing would not have been notable and the internet would not be calling for boycotts, 'justice', apologies nor issuing death threats.

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by cbs »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #11

I disagree. Public shaming is the right way to make harassers actually fear the consequences (to their career, for example).

I disagree with what you said. Please tell me where you work so that I may go create a PR nightmare for your employer that is best solved by firing you.

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by MattBearman »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #11

I disagree. Public shaming is the right way to make harassers actually fear the consequences (to their career, for example).

That may or may not be true, but it's not really relevant to this. Adria wasn't harassed, she over heard something, and took offence to it. That's her problem.

When ever someone claims to be offended, I'm always reminded of Stephen Fry's excellent response - http://imgur.com/EX5v4

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by pimentel »

imsofuture wrote: post #44
dos1 wrote: post #27

One of the reasons I've taken an interest in this whole fiasco is that I occasionally make "colorful" jokes. Not dissimilar from the two guys at PyCon. I make every attempt to keep these jokes private between my friends and I, but I'm sure others have heard me make them. Some people might find them funny, others may be offended. It scares me to think that making an offhand penis joke could result in being publicly ou…

What's amazing to me is the cognitive dissonance required to make the leap from Adria publicly outing someone (questionable, but not egregious given you know, the public venue) making an off-color joke to 'she got these people fired'. Their boss finding out what they said got them fired. Because what they said wasn't appropriate in the opinion of their employer. Period. Full stop.

Or maybe a viral picture of a misogynist with the company tshirt would be motivational enough for the company to fire him (maybe summed to other things in him the company didn't like, who knows). Is he really a misogynist jerk? Does not matter: the picture was published to twitter with that message implied.

EDIT: I'm not saying he's a misogynist, in fact I think otherwise. What I'm saying is if she implies he is with a photo attached, he can easily be seen as one.

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by aviraldg »

imsofuture wrote: post #56
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #26

After reading all sides of the story, I see why there is so much anger towards Adria. However, it is unacceptable for her or SendGrid to be attacked digitally. Adria did an arguably right thing in a wrong way at the wrong time. 1. Assuming the way she said it happened is correct, the guys behind her made a sexual (forking/fucking; Dongle/Penis) not sexist joke. If it were even to be seen as sexist, it was towards men…

1) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 2) Totally agree, it was not a wise choice. 3) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 4) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 5) You don't get to tell someone what is offensive to them. 6) It's true, not all the best choices were made.

Then that someone doesn't get to publicly shame me for what is offensive to them, and doesn't have the right to ask me to stop.

My joke. Not meant for you. Stop listening.

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by scott_meade »

Passive public shaming could be the future with Google Glass and like tech. Your behavior won't need to be actively "reported". If it happens within range of someone wearing Glass, what you say and do could simply be recorded, indexed, and searchable by anyone.

Re: PyCon Code of Conduct changed to avoid public shaming

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Post by pcote »

kjackson2012 wrote: post #10

They forgot to add that all childish jokes should not be shared amongst each other, ever.

Childishness, silliness, and lewdness is a core part of what Monty Python was about. Monty Python's style of humor was encouraged in the Python programmer culture from the beginning. It's ironic that Pycon's policy would prevent me from publicly reciting some of my favorite Flying Circus skit lines.
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