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Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by beedogs »

Hopka wrote: post #21
canttestthis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes she mentioned that her website was getting DDOSed and that she was going to put it behind Cloudflare. I'm not sure its a DDOS though, it could just be the amount of traffic she's getting from HN/Reddit/Twitter/etc. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5400134 EDIT: It seems that her personal website (adriarichards.com) is down too.

How is putting it behind Cloudflare going to help now that the (alleged) DDoSers have the IP address of the actual server?

mirror the content to a different host. point cloudflare at it. something like that i guess. could be a pain in the ass if you can't get to the original server and you have no other copies of the content, though.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by obstacle1 »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #58
Raynh wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woman standing for herself, aka a woman randomly attacking a man who made a joke about dongles? Really? I will definitely feel schadenfreude if her bank account gets hacked. After all, she did rid a person of their income by her actions.

What the fuck is HN becoming...Jesus.

User created: 2 hours ago

2 posts.

Happens all the time, always has.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by joshrotenberg »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #56
joshrotenberg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dreaded FDDOS: Forking Dongle Denial of Service.

Still unfunny and tasteless. Imagine that.

It's totally unfunny and tasteless, I agree. That doesn't make it worth the hullabaloo that it caused. And I think that's the point.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by untog »

sp332 wrote: post #69
untog wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a huge stretch- at least partly because there is no third party verification that Adria's blog is actually victim to a DDOS attack, as far as I know. I'm not accusing her of lying, just that "a huge, huge number of people reading your blog post" can look a lot like a DDOS attack if you're running an unoptimised version of Wordpress, or similar.

It's uncharitable of you to assume she can't tell the difference between a botnet and a spike in traffic. The "third-party verification" is that her site came back online after implementing CloudFlare's DDoS mitigation.

It's uncharitable of you to assume she can't tell the difference between a botnet and a spike in traffic.

I don't think so. It's incredibly difficult to tell the difference, given that a DDOS is a huge spike in traffic.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by obstacle1 »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #38
slig wrote: post #7

Even though I'm a SG customer, I can't help but feel a little schadenfreude. edit: when I made this comment I thought this was a random service failure that would last couple of minutes. More than 1 hour later, I don't think it's that funny anymore as I'm being affected as well.

Really? All it says to me is that people in the tech field are so against a woman standing up for herself that they're actually willing to bring down the company she works for. It's disgusting. Will you also feel schadenfreude when they hack her bank account?

First, nobody cares whether or not she was a she or a he or an it. Her actions were objectively ridiculous and harmful to both general civility and gender relations in the community. Largely because SHE made it a gender issue (saving future women programmers? joan of arc?)

Second, she wasn't "standing up" for herself because nobody wronged her. Overhearing a third-party say something about a dongle that you construe in a sexual light isn't being wronged, and the world doesn't require you to "stand up" to it.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by sp332 »

untog wrote: post #75
sp332 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's uncharitable of you to assume she can't tell the difference between a botnet and a spike in traffic. The "third-party verification" is that her site came back online after implementing CloudFlare's DDoS mitigation.

It's uncharitable of you to assume she can't tell the difference between a botnet and a spike in traffic. I don't think so. It's incredibly difficult to tell the difference, given that a DDOS is a huge spike in traffic.

Real users load CSS and images, run javascript, stay on the page more than a second, etc.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by btilly »

Raynh wrote: post #46
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? All it says to me is that people in the tech field are so against a woman standing up for herself that they're actually willing to bring down the company she works for. It's disgusting. Will you also feel schadenfreude when they hack her bank account?

Woman standing for herself, aka a woman randomly attacking a man who made a joke about dongles? Really? I will definitely feel schadenfreude if her bank account gets hacked. After all, she did rid a person of their income by her actions.

Let me pose two theories for you.

1. The guy who got fired had an overzealous manager who fired with insufficient cause.

2. The guy who got fired had a history that we don't know, but the manager does, and this was the final straw.

Both theories are possible. I personally have known a higher portion of guys fitting #2 than managers who would enable #1. Therefore conditional probability suggests to me that he was fired for more than just this incident. If so then his firing would not be her fault.

(Even in #1 the firing was not her fault - it was the manager's.)

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by kstrauser »

jrs235 wrote: post #67
kstrauser wrote: post #30

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What do you mean by "to warm up an IP"?

If an IP address does not have a history of sending [large amounts of] email it is considered "cold". If that IP address then suddenly begins sending huge numbers of emails, many providers will assume the worst (that the email is being used for SPAM) and either block the IP or mark messages coming from it as SPAM. "Warming up" the IP means sending a smaller number of emails (per time period) and slowly increasing the…

That's when you physically call your sales rep and explain why your using their services and ask them to whitelist you. I say this from experience. If you called my employer (and any of our competitors, I'm certain) and said "I need to host a mail relay that's ready to go from no traffic to tens of thousands of emails per second, here's my company website, and here's our credit card", we'd be happy to make it work for you.

I'm not saying this to advertise but to offer a suggestion: call someone and ask for help. This isn't an unusual need at all and any reputable provider will be quick to help.

Short version: you don't have to "warm up an IP" if you do a little advance homework.

Re: Sendgrid is down

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Post by symfoniq »

entropyneur wrote: post #41

First we replaced SMTP that was distributed and designed to be resilient to outages (i.e. not lose messages) with proprietary HTTP APIs and now we complain that they don't notify us via email when they are down. Nice. I am guilty of using SES myself, but it's sad to see email becoming increasingly centralized.

We use SendGrid for transactional email, but handle (solicited) bulk email in-house. The centralization of email is at least partly due to the fact that ensuring email gets delivered is difficult and time-consuming.

While I'm sure a lot of SendGrid's customers don't want (or don't know how) to configure a mail server, there are other customers who know that delivering email isn't as simple as installing Postfix. The rise of centralized email services is the inevitable byproduct.

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