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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 6:23 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #221

bad_user wrote: post #69

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Don't really know why or if they are doing this, but the PirateBay's primary purpose is to stay up. If they are pushed to such extremes as to go to North Korea, then it's ultimately your fault, the citizen of a Western country, for allowing your government to take such drastic anti-copyright measures that ultimately lead to corruption and censorship. Kind of ironic that Internet freedom will be increasingly achieved…

>it's ultimately your fault, the citizen of a Western country, for allowing your government.. Yeah, no. I didn't vote for these assholes. If you think even part of the nonsense professed by the MafiAA organizations has popular support, you're terribly deluded. I don't take kindly to being told I'm at fault for something I oppose and took every positive and reasonable step available to me to oppose.

I used a generic you, not you per se. My hat is off to the minority of people that care, but we are a minority.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by kragen » Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 6:24 AM UTC

arthulia wrote: post #193

kragen wrote: post #143

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

How you could say that is an order of magnitude????? The US has an order of magnitude more people! Using your numbers and Google's population estimates, 8 per 1000 people in NK are prisoners, while 7 per 1000 people in the US are prisoners. Furthermore, in NK prison camps execution--including child execution--is commonplace. Maybe that will give you a clue as to why their prison population isn't higher. Grow a brain.…

Non-police brutality in the US is still a much bigger problem than police brutality.

I'm disappointed at the level of your response.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by INTPenis » Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 7:40 AM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #133

INTPenis wrote: post #76

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I think this can help you understand their mentality, PRQ, the hosting company behind TPB, have hosted pedophiles. I don't know if they still do because I haven't kept track, but they did for sure host pedophile message boards in 2005-2006 where pedophiles discussed things like raising children for sex. Why? I can only guess that it's because they believe in freedom of speech over everything else.

Do you think child raping pedophiles will stop raping children if they can't host their boards at PRQ?

I see it like this.

Anyone can have freedom of speech, but it's up to the people if they want to listen.

If a pedophile started preaching their beliefs in town square to a group of people, it wouldn't be long before they would be run out of town or beat up.

The same goes for any services offered to people who's ideology you don't agree with.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by fleitz » Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 12:58 AM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #283

notahacker wrote: post #273

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If the best example of current US performance relative to other developed countries you can think of is "killed fewer people than other protagonists in last century's World Wars" (which is essentially what your cited stats show) you may as well not bother. n.b. I'm sure Rummel would grudgingly admit that the US is far worse than any other developed country for committing acts of "democide" this century . In fact it's…

Yeah, I rank governments that murder millions of their own people pretty low on the scale of "human rights". Sorry. Edit: Most of those people weren't "killed in World War II". They were murdered. By their own governments.

Trail of tears...

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Turing_Machine » Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 2:29 AM UTC

grecy wrote: post #289

Turing_Machine wrote: post #286

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http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM It's called "voting with your feet".

..and by capita it's barely 20% of Australia's net immigration growth.

U.S. immigration is severely restricted. The waiting list can be up to 20 years long.

If the U.S. had the same immigration policies as, say, Canada or Australia, you could add an order of magnitude to those numbers. Easily.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Turing_Machine » Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 2:32 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #288

Turing_Machine wrote: post #283

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Yeah, I rank governments that murder millions of their own people pretty low on the scale of "human rights". Sorry. Edit: Most of those people weren't "killed in World War II". They were murdered. By their own governments.

You responded to a comment that the US ranked poorly in relation to 'every other developed country' with an outdated casualty count implying the US government might have been less deadly to human life than Germany, Japan and the UK before 1945 (and also less deadly than a few non-developed countries since then). I'm pretty sure the same set of statistics points towards the US government causing more deaths than other…

Yes, I take the long view when it comes to goverments.

I fully expect the current Eurozone crisis to devolve into bloodshed before it's over, by the way.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by dscwedfwe » Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 5:32 AM UTC

tuomasb wrote: post #72

fale@machine:~$ tcptraceroute -f 128 -m 128 thepiratebay.se Selected device venet0, address 5.9.249.8, port 40771 for outgoing packets Tracing the path to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.15) on TCP port 80 (www), 128 hops max 128 thepiratebay.org (194.71.107.15) [open] 51.673 ms 49.002 ms 47.187 ms That server is in Germany, no way it's possible to have 50ms to NK. Also traditional traceroute has 500ms+ RTT. They are fak…

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pflats » Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 1:16 PM UTC

ScottBurson wrote: post #258

pflats wrote: post #172

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No. It's their content; they make the rules. It's the industry's job to use whatever distribution channels make them and their clients the most money. That's it. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it. If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're proba…

I agree with you that it's not right to bootleg their content anyway, but I also think there is little hope of persuading most people of that. So the content producers are going to have to change their business models. And I'm not sure they'll come out much worse for it. Imagine if Peter Jackson announced that his next movie would be a free download, and crowdfunded the money to make it. I bet he could raise a couple…

But the Hobbit just made a billion dollars in the box office alone. (And it cost around 200 million to make.) Peter Jackson has no reason to buck the system.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by chubbard » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 3:45 AM UTC

breck wrote: post #264

chubbard wrote: post #201

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Ah yes Dennis Rodman is such a reliable source of information. He has to suck up to low life dictators. He's broke as shit! At this point Rodman is hoping to be anyone's lapdog just for rent money. There are people in prison camps for things their grandfathers did in North Korea. At least the people in the US had a trial by their peers for something they were actually were accused of doing.

I like that Dennis Rodman does what he does. He lives on the outskirts of our norms and enriches all of our lives by pushing the limits and exploring our options.

Entertainment is one thing, diplomacy is completely another.

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Post by freyr » Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 5:03 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #199

freyr wrote: post #139

I expected more from HN than this knee-jerk support for TPB due to its self-promulgated association with "freedom of information." Freedom of information, in the specific context of The Pirate Bay, means denying content authors the freedom to choose channels of distribution for their work. It means repackaging content, giving it away "for free," while raking in advertising revenue. It means diverting money away from…

I wish people would stop pretending the ads on the pirate bay are of significant value. A couple banner ads is absolutely nothing compared to the cost of content production. TPB could run without ads and nothing would really change. They are not even in the same ballpark as 'raking in' the amounts of money content creators charge. There are in fact services where you pay significant amounts of money for media downloa…

> "They are not even in the same ballpark as 'raking in' the amounts of money content creators charge."

What does the magnitude of TPB's profit have to do with anything? The morality of an action is determined by how much the offender profits monetarily?

The content creators invest effort, money, and years of their lives to produce the content. A typical movie, for instance, represents the collective work of hundreds of people spanning several years. Of course they'll need to charge more to generate a profit. And TPB only needs banner ads to generate the profit. What's your point?

> "...rapidshare, that you can make a good argument are taking money from content producers."

You seem to have bought into this farce that people who download pirated content are categorically unwilling to pay money for non-pirated content. This is complete bs.

My nephews and his friends don't spend money on music, since they can easily get it for free online and it lets them spend their money on other stuff. Are you claiming that if these kids grew up in the 70s or 80s, none of them would listen to music because they'd all be against spending their money on it? BS.

"Taking money from content producers" doesn't just mean I've taken ten dollars out of some musician's wallet and put that same ten dollars into my wallet. It could mean taking ten dollars out of a musician's wallet, putting a dollar into mine, and burning the rest. Or burning it all. From the perspective of the musician, the result is the same.

> "Banner ads are key to allowing this: NO"

My argument was that, based on their actions and words, profit or notoriety are more likely their motivations than a principled stand on freedom of speech, as many here want to attribute to TPB. The Westboro Baptist Church is also defended by the freedom of speech. That doesn't mean we should hold up the Westboro Baptist Church as noble crusaders in a fight for our freedoms. That gives them way too much credit.