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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by kamjam »

arthulia wrote: post #236
kamjam wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator. This in itself is a disturbing statement. So what are you saying, it's ok as long as the US is not as bad a NK ? Very disturbing. In a modern society, in what the US should be leading as a shining example to rest of the world there should be -no violations of human rights-

Nobody here is saying that. The US treats a lot of people very reprehensibly, but comparing living conditions in the US to living conditions in NK is like comparing a Mercedes to a pogo-stick.

I understand both your comments, I didn't bring up the US, other people did and I am just responding to that.

My comment is not about comparing anything to anything, it's about the throw away comments that "x isn't as bad as y so we're not doing too bad" when instead of pointing fingers we should be looking inward towards our own flaws. People in glasses houses and all that.

(Yes yes, it's still not as bad a NK but you should still try to fix these issues)

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by jlgaddis »

blumentopf wrote: post #96
Wilya wrote: post #37

So. A traceroute to thepiratebay.se is kind of amusing. From my home (Sweden), the packets seem to go to Frankfurt, then New York, take a link via an ip which reverses to intelsatone.net to a cambodgian ip (500ms latency right here), then reach the ip 175.45.177.217, assigned to Star Joint Venture Co Ltd. Who seem to be a legitimate North Korea internet provider (or, well, as legitimate as it gets, coming from North…

AS path as seen from the RIPE NCC RIS looking glass for 194.71.107.0/24: ... 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040 ... [NTT America/ARIN] [rrbone/RIPE] [Intelsat/ARIN] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC] [The Pirate Bay/RIPE] Apart from that /24, STAR JOINT VENTURE only advertises 175.45.176.0/22 (albeit as four /24, idiotically enough). What's kind of interesting is that this /22 is visible with a much shorter AS path: ... 3257 4837…

I see two prefixes advertised by 51040, with very different paths:

    cr1.ipls# sh ip bgp regexp 51040$        
    BGP table version is 210945139, local router ID is 8.30.x.255
    Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i - internal,
              r RIB-failure, S Stale
    Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete

       Network          Next Hop            Metric LocPrf Weight Path
    *> 194.14.56.0      4.69.180.161             0             0 3356 5580 3.987 51040 i
    *> 194.71.107.0     4.69.180.161             0             0 3356 2914 39138 22351 2.207 51040 i
I don't know what, if anything, they use 194.14.56/24 for, but both appear to belong to the same organization (although the registrant records differ just a bit).

EDIT: I'm gonna dig into my database and see what the path looked like a day or two ago.

EDIT: 2 days ago: the .107/24 path: 3356 3549 16150 51040

16150 is "Availo Networks AB" and they do appear to do heavy prefix filtering -- as they should -- but I see no import policy for 51040:

    $ whois -h whois.ripe.net AS16150
    ...
It's possible and plausible that TPB is using one or more VPNs to hide the true route traffic is taking (who knows what they're really doing, though).

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by notahacker »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #249
grecy wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA. It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

"It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly." http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM It does? Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?

If the best example of current US performance relative to other developed countries you can think of is "killed fewer people than other protagonists in last century's World Wars" (which is essentially what your cited stats show) you may as well not bother.

n.b. I'm sure Rummel would grudgingly admit that the US is far worse than any other developed country for committing acts of "democide" this century. In fact it's probably the only metric in which a sane person could argue the US might have performed worse than North Korea in recent years.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by joelthelion »

bcgraham wrote: post #242
CamperBob2 wrote: post #186

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(Shrug) They can make rules, or they can make money. Their call.

I don't think your viewpoint is fit for dignified public discourse. It's theft. It's not a new, modern crime, with deep implications still being processed by moral intuitions, legislatures, and courts. When something becomes easy to steal, it doesn't become less of a theft.

No, it's not theft, and information is not property. At least there is no consensus on the matter.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pyre »

breck wrote: post #264
chubbard wrote: post #201

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Ah yes Dennis Rodman is such a reliable source of information. He has to suck up to low life dictators. He's broke as shit! At this point Rodman is hoping to be anyone's lapdog just for rent money. There are people in prison camps for things their grandfathers did in North Korea. At least the people in the US had a trial by their peers for something they were actually were accused of doing.

I like that Dennis Rodman does what he does. He lives on the outskirts of our norms and enriches all of our lives by pushing the limits and exploring our options.

It just reminds me of Sean Penn kicking it with Saddam Hussein and trying to tell the US about how everything was cool and kosher in Iraq (just prior to the US invasion). Do you really think that if something bad is going on that a foreign dictator is going to openly admit to crimes against humanity just because some US celebrity shows up on their doorstep?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by [deleted] »

pyre wrote: post #275
breck wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that Dennis Rodman does what he does. He lives on the outskirts of our norms and enriches all of our lives by pushing the limits and exploring our options.

It just reminds me of Sean Penn kicking it with Saddam Hussein and trying to tell the US about how everything was cool and kosher in Iraq (just prior to the US invasion). Do you really think that if something bad is going on that a foreign dictator is going to openly admit to crimes against humanity just because some US celebrity shows up on their doorstep?

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pyre »

breck wrote: post #200
mikeash wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If North Korea has a lot of good going for it, I'm sure you can give us a few examples.

For sure. (And if you're curious there are some great sources online including one interesting account recently was Eric Schmidt's daughter's blog.) - Millions of people who have families and I'm sure are pretty happy even if their government sucks. And this is all that really matters at the end of the day. - Those wide streets look pretty darn cool - People look healthy (compared to obesity in the U.S.) - Those mass…

  | I thought it was really neat that when the
  | power goes out in the subways, everyone is
  | prepared with a flashlight. Smart populace!
Or you could just look at it as, "this happens so often that the people expect it, and are not complete idiots."

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by [deleted] »

chubbard wrote: post #201
breck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

Ah yes Dennis Rodman is such a reliable source of information. He has to suck up to low life dictators. He's broke as shit! At this point Rodman is hoping to be anyone's lapdog just for rent money. There are people in prison camps for things their grandfathers did in North Korea. At least the people in the US had a trial by their peers for something they were actually were accused of doing.

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by derleth »

runn1ng wrote: post #148
blumentopf wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AS path as seen from the RIPE NCC RIS looking glass for 194.71.107.0/24: ... 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040 ... [NTT America/ARIN] [rrbone/RIPE] [Intelsat/ARIN] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC] [The Pirate Bay/RIPE] Apart from that /24, STAR JOINT VENTURE only advertises 175.45.176.0/22 (albeit as four /24, idiotically enough). What's kind of interesting is that this /22 is visible with a much shorter AS path: ... 3257 4837…

I don't understand BGP and AS... what does that mean?

AS = Autonomous System, a network of one or more (usually more) computers that looks like one entity to the outside Internet. It's 'autonomous' in that it can route traffic within itself without help from any outside source. The Internet is, at a high level, a collection of ASes that all pass data among each other. Every AS has a globally unique number, usually represented as AS15169 for AS number 15169.

BGP = Border Gateway Protocol, a specific Exterior Gateway Protocol that allows ASes to figure out what other ASes are close by and to which of their neighbors they should route traffic destined for a specific IP address. This basically works by each AS advertising which groups of IP addresses (represented by prefixes) they know how to reach. A prefix is something like 10.0.0.0/24, which represents all addresses from 10.0.0.0 to 10.0.0.255; in a prefix, the number after the slash is how many bits of the IP address are fixed. In a /24, 24 bits, or three eight-bit bytes, are fixed, so the last eight bits can vary freely. Larger numbers indicate smaller blocks of addresses, unintuitively enough. For example, AS15169 advertises that it contains 173.194.0.0/16, or the range 173.194.0.0 - 173.194.255.255. Route advertisements contain cost information, which is primarily due to how long the path is; as an example, if I'm AS1 and I contain the range 10.0.0.0/24, I'll advertise that with a very low cost. If I hear from my neighbor AS3 that she contains 192.5.0.0/16, I'll advertise that with a higher cost, since I'll have to hand it off to a different AS.

(Edited to add: Apparently, IPv6 prefixes work essentially the same as IPv4 prefixes. http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swIPv6Prefixes.html )

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by rgbrenner »

astrodust wrote: post #19
chimeracoder wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible that people in the DPRK refer to themselves as the 'Republic of Korea' in an attempt to deny/disqualify the existence of any other 'Republic of Korea'? (ie, 'The one true Republic of Korea' or something like that).

Why do communist countries insist on calling themselves "democratic"? If you're such a firm believer in that philosophy, why not have some pride?

You are interpreting 'democratic' in a western sense, and then take it further by claiming they have no pride in communism. It's really not a mystery/contradictory.. you just need to pick up a few books by Lenin, Marx, Mao, et al.

A "people's democracy" is a country in transition from bourgeois democracy to socialism. In this stage there is more than one class, the largest being the proletariat, led by the Communist Party, which is therefore the dominant power.

The other common country name includes "people's republic." In both cases, it's important to understand the definition of "people". People are communists. Look up "People's dictatorship" for more information on this. Essentially, a "People's republic" is a country that is ruled by a communist party.

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