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Fuck this shit. We need to have sympathy. Not because we've diagnosed someone with a disease, but because they're a person. Rates of depression are skyrocketing all over the developed world and whatever we're doing clearly isn't working. Personally, I think the most obvious issue is that a group of intelligent people have simply accepted the notion that what's relevant isn't someone's life circumstances, but some vag…
I have found this to be nearly crippling when accompanied with the rejection and difficulty of being an entrepreneur. Professionally, I have done a lot of freelance work as a result.
I've held pretty good jobs for ~ 1 year, but eventually have some problem due to workload stress combined with my depression. Regrettably this has made me leave jobs in non-ideal ways.
I'm looking for my next great position now, and it's tough to answer the "why did you leave this position and then go freelance last year" with "I let my depression get ahead of me and tried to kill myself."
I know that it's an incredible liability to a potential employer to hire someone that might do great work for a year and then abruptly leave.
I just needed to get that off my chest.
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a numbered list? sad joke...
Otherwise commonly referred to as a "summary". You may have heard of it.
In my experience with depression, everyone sympathizes and worries and wants help the depressed person. But being a vicious brain disease, depression will make you think the people who love you actually hate you and lough at you behind your back, when at work, or even while sleeping.
I have been accused of laughing at the person I love while sleeping, by her. No, it did not make me upset. I know it was the demons in hear head making her say that. I had been with her as she descended deeper and deeper and her self-hatred got worse and worse.
So when I hear that we need to sympathize with depression, I think you either have no experience with depressed people, or you're trying to convince anonymous internet trolls. The later is as futile and pointless task as can be. It is better to teach and train people on ignoring the trolls.
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I appreciate where you are coming from, but I think it is wrong to dismiss the chemistry component. Having had close family members diagnosed with depression (and having lost a friend to suicide), I found myself amazed at the degree to which chemicals in the body do play a role. I have seen two cases of dramatic behavior changes in people who had no change in external life experiences (and extraordinarily happy life…
If it's only chemistry, why is it so much more of a problem in the developed world? Is there an unstated implication of a potential environmental cause?
But to my knowledge the current(?) model of depression says it is both. There is the clinical depression without noticeable external factors, and there are those depressions which are quite obvious a reaction to an unbearable situation. The clinical depression can manifest itself again and again and will most likely never vanish completely. The situational depression normally goes away if the situation changes - but sure those people need help to achieve that.
Of course, that leads to the conclusion that both causes shouldn't mix, and it doesn't mean there can be no factors like genetically predetermined likelihood for situational depression.
To the first commenter: Saying that it is brain chemistry does not mean we shouldn't help those people. It is the other way around: In saying "this is a serious illness", we make it impossible to say that the depressed is responsible, why didn't he simply change his life? No one can do anything against his brain, apart from medication and maybe - and that is a big maybe - psychiatric help.
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a numbered list? sad joke...
Otherwise commonly referred to as a "summary". You may have heard of it.
When, before Christ, people noticed your urine attracted ants and that it probably had something to do with a disease(diabetes), that was a more criterious diagnosis. Just saying.
Having previously been married to someone with depression issues (suicidal thoughts included) I can say it's a bitch. It's hard to know someone like that and not think of them as ill.
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straw-man, ad hominem One thing is clear to me, discussing psychiatry is already a MAJOR TABOO... e.g.: in the article the dude says how he "thinks it has something to do with chemistry... and stuff" clearly in a not-so-scientific reasoning(not that all must be) but just pointing out this sort of questionings leads to major downvoting
Can you not see that there is a huge difference between "questioning the effectiveness of psychiatry" and "blaming psychiatry for the holocaust"? I'm more than happy to ignore people who use the propaganda from a cult where anything from psychiatry is ignored.
Fuck this shit. We need to have sympathy. Not because we've diagnosed someone with a disease, but because they're a person. Rates of depression are skyrocketing all over the developed world and whatever we're doing clearly isn't working. Personally, I think the most obvious issue is that a group of intelligent people have simply accepted the notion that what's relevant isn't someone's life circumstances, but some vag…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc
> We say that there is something wrong with their brains, rather than saying that there is something wrong with society.
The real answer is probably a little bit from column A and a little bit from column B.
Fuck this shit. We need to have sympathy. Not because we've diagnosed someone with a disease, but because they're a person. Rates of depression are skyrocketing all over the developed world and whatever we're doing clearly isn't working. Personally, I think the most obvious issue is that a group of intelligent people have simply accepted the notion that what's relevant isn't someone's life circumstances, but some vag…
That doesn't mean we don't need to be sensitive to people with circumstances that deviate from the norm. At the same time, our expectations of how we should treat people are calibrated to the typical responses of people in the bulk of that bell curve. It is regrettable but not necessarily wrong when those expectations conflict with the needs of someone who lies outside that region of normalcy. We owe everyone common decency, but we don't necessarily owe anyone uncommon decency.