For a certain subset (perhaps minority) of the population, these sites are nothing but a bait-and-switch. And I think dating sites attract many of us (as I am indeed a member of this subset.) I'm talking about people who lack the pre-requisites women require for mate selection which if not fulfilled, no other characteristics typically matter. Firstly - height - if you are significantly below the national average, you…
Do you write like this in messages to women?
A Million First Dates
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Re: A Million First Dates
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Question: how often do you actually ask women on dates? I mean unequivocally ask them on a "date"? Empirically, I would say you are simply wrong. I know a fair number of short men who are successful with women. It's probably something else you are doing: dress, hygiene, posture/eye contact, lack of confidence (and not in a "you have to change who you are/act cocky" type of way.) I'm not asserting anything specific be…
Obviously online, I have frequently attempted contact, before reaching a stage where I could ask that, but that was the purpose. In real life, I have usually not got so far as to ask for a date, as I have been rejected out of hand before getting that far. And the friends who I wanted to go out with, I have asked out and been rejected. I don't think it's that ridiculous, for one we're talking 2 sigma out of the norm,…
Re: A Million First Dates
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Question: how often do you actually ask women on dates? I mean unequivocally ask them on a "date"? Empirically, I would say you are simply wrong. I know a fair number of short men who are successful with women. It's probably something else you are doing: dress, hygiene, posture/eye contact, lack of confidence (and not in a "you have to change who you are/act cocky" type of way.) I'm not asserting anything specific be…
Obviously online, I have frequently attempted contact, before reaching a stage where I could ask that, but that was the purpose. In real life, I have usually not got so far as to ask for a date, as I have been rejected out of hand before getting that far. And the friends who I wanted to go out with, I have asked out and been rejected. I don't think it's that ridiculous, for one we're talking 2 sigma out of the norm,…
Second, as I suspected, you haven't actually asked many girls out (is the number around 2-4?) This is most of the reason you haven't had success.
Yes, being at a height disadvantage means that overall it will be harder to get dates that you find appealing. This fact is what you are noticing, not that you can't. You said it yourself, there are short men who can get dates they like. Good looks help, but not a requirement. What are they actually doing you're not? Do you actually have to be highly successful to appear so? No. Just looking highly presentable, fit, well dressed in ones style, and yes, confident (in your own way, not a particular type of cockiness), is enough. Even those things aren't really necessary, but they help. Then it's just a matter of actually asking women you are attracted to on dates, enough women until one says 'yes', which will happen eventually. The only real impediment is that you haven't committed yourself to dating and figuring out what works, which is a typical problem with various excuses.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. You believe you lack pre-requisites women require. Truth is, there are loads of short guys, ugly guys or otherwise challenged guys that get what they want out of dating, whether it's lots of random sleeping around, or a committed relationship, and everything in between. Please don't talk about giving up on relationships. Online dating might actually not be the best choice f…
Great post. Being a short yet confident man is way much more appealing to a woman than to be the 6' average joe.
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#105For a certain subset (perhaps minority) of the population, these sites are nothing but a bait-and-switch. And I think dating sites attract many of us (as I am indeed a member of this subset.) I'm talking about people who lack the pre-requisites women require for mate selection which if not fulfilled, no other characteristics typically matter. Firstly - height - if you are significantly below the national average, you…
You know, I have gotten a crapload of rejection and hostility in recent years, not in a dating context but in another social context. So I am very familiar with how hard it is to remain open and do the zen thing and say "Those 5000 other catastrophes don't matter. This is a new person and what they think has nothing to do with what all those other people thought." But it sounds to me like that's a big part of your problem. In fact, you remind me of another man I used to know.
He was average height (slightly taller than me even) and he was convinced that "being too short" was part of why he had such a hard time getting a girlfriend. I had the worst crush on him (and my ex husband was shorter than me and he knew it) but he would not give me the time of day. He was toxic and mysogynistic and harped incessantly on how badly women had treated him. He did so in a manner that was incredibly ugly and blaming, like "all women are bitches" type attitude. To me personally, he was rude, hurtful, and talked incessantly in front of me about what he found attractive in a woman and did so in a manner that just screamed "Gee, Michele, you are such a fat ugly cow you ought to just have your vagina removed since it will never see action again".
I really liked him and I understood why he was so bitter, so I tried to get him to talk to me anyway. At some point he got irritable with me and basically told me I was wasting his time and that he would be willing to talk to me if he thought it might go somewhere. For me, that was the final straw. I gave up. I still had the worst crush on him but concluded that if he was the last man on earth, I would get a girlfriend.
You can't change your height. Yes, for many women, your height is a dealbreaker upfront -- just like for many men, a woman's age, weight or bra size is a dealbreaker upfront. Both genders can be equally shallow and asinine. The trick is to find some way to set aside your hurt and anger from previous interactions and not hang that crap on every new person you meet.
As for dating sites, I don't use them. But then I jokingly say "dating is against my utter lack of religion" generally, whether online or off. It is not my cup of tea. I don't have a particularly high opinion of the dating paradigm to begin with. It strikes me as a meat market approach. I think it is an especially poor fit for folks who won't "measure up" to whatever arbitrary norms most people are sorting by. I know I don't fit that mold either. And I won't accept being treated shabbily because of it. Men who think I am too old or too fat or too flat chested aren't the sort of men I want standing next to my fire anyway. Frankly, they aren't worthy.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allow me to tell you how wrong you are. My roomate is 6'4, broad shoulders, athletic, good looking by any standard, and he is hella funny. People thought for the longest he had plenty girls, but believe me when I say he had his fair share of trouble. Now, this will sound like a lie, but I have no way to prove this to you unless you decide to make a trip to the city of Atlanta at which point I will introduce you to my…
Ugh, that guy sounds gross. I'm sure he's cool in person but if one were to simply follow this strict list of items they could very easily end up turning themselves into a douche bag. Do we have to become someone we hate to attract people we like? More likely than not there is an element that trumps the others which your friend fails to mention: personally/charisma. Someone who has it just thinks they are "talking" a…
What part of the list above is worth hating? All of the qualities listed seem very morally benign. Well dressed, well spoken, to the point, confident, and smells nice.
Any baggage that comes with those descriptors are your own. Nobody is making you buy the jagerbombs and popped collars part.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're sure that women will not like you on a sexual way, they won't. As sure as if you don't belive your startup to succeed, it won't. You've made a bad image of yourself that think he can't attract women and you find lame excuses in order to not try to change. Because trying to change and to be a better version of yourself is admitting that until now you were wrong and it is exposing yourself to failure. Do you…
Sure, and the fact that many, MANY people have experienced this height-bias, and women openly admit to preferring it is entirely my imagination. I think this 'think positively and it will be' stuff is more than a little wishful thinking. It reminds me of the 'love yourself and then they will love you' bullshit. I know somebody who has a great job, is good looking and tall, but utterly depressed so clearly doesn't lov…
In reality being short is like having 9 fingers. You will never out-type a 10-fingered person, but you can type plenty fast.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
If losing that much weight made no difference your either still significantly over weight, gained no mussel mass, aiming rather high, or something else is wrong. My honest suggestion is to remove you expectations. Spend a month responding to every profile until you start getting responses you don't have to keep going after that but you need a little signal to start. Then do some A/B testing to see what helps vs. hurt…
I looked a lot better, but there was definitely still flab. You exclude the possibility that other factors outweighed (no pun intended) the weight issue? We're talking > 55lb, so it obviously had a major visual impact. I don't believe it should have had no impact. Maybe minor, but for it to make no difference says something about other factors I think. when I was young I wasn't overweight at all, and had exactly the…
Getting yourself into shape is sort of like a magic bullet. To do it you either need to be, or will become: driven, motivated, strong-willed and with the capacity to see things through to the end. The improvement acts as a positive feedback loop. I can't recommend it enough.
Re: A Million First Dates
#109My personal experience doesn't match some of the ideas presented in that article >> At the selection stage, researchers have seen that as the range of options grows larger, mate-seekers are liable to become “cognitively overwhelmed,” and deal with the overload by adopting lazy comparison strategies and examining fewer cues I find exactly the opposite. People that I would be happy to talk to if I met them in person wi…
You're doing it wrong, skim a bunch of profiles and copy and paste short messages with very slight variations. Investing time in a first message, hell even reading a whole profile on an online dating site is a huge waste of time. Also, stop being so picky.
The worse the signal to noise ratio the more people need to spam to get a hit. At this point OKCupid is just one massive cesspool of copypasta flying around at great volume.
Re: A Million First Dates
#110“Societal values always lose out,” says Noel Biderman, the founder of Ashley Madison, which calls itself “the world’s leading married dating service for discreet encounters”—that is, cheating. “Premarital sex used to be taboo,” explains Biderman. “So women would become miserable in marriages, because they wouldn’t know any better. But today, more people have had failed relationships, recovered, moved on, and found ha…